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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | We have LINKING surfeur, IF it done correctly, the problem is that some users are screwing things up. Your problem is that you think you know more than the people who produced the film therefore the Screen credit is of no value to you, you probably think you even know the roles better than the filmmakers. I deal with data that is real, NOT data that I think in my magnificence (sarcasm, tic) is the way it SHOULD be. You would get a lot further by not trying to continually swim upstream, it must be very tiring.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Tim:
I have to ask seriously why LeVar is relevant. I am sure I know what your response will be...it's his name. [...] You're addresssing this to the wrong person - I actually agree with you, and always have, that an on-screen "LEVAR" credit translates to "Levar" for DVD Profiler purposes. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Tim:
I have to ask seriously why LeVar is relevant. I am sure I know what your response will be...it's his name. [...]
You're addresssing this to the wrong person - I actually agree with you, and always have, that an on-screen "LEVAR" credit translates to "Levar" for DVD Profiler purposes. Ah, good to hear, Tim. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
Yeah, DANNY DEVITO = Danny Devito is only part of the story. This is where DANNY DeVITTO = Danny DeVito commes in to play.
at one point you have either Danny Devito or Danny DeVito as common name.
Some users insists you can only enter the credit as seen in the movie credit:
DANNY DEVITO in DVD Profiller becomes: Danny DeVito [Danny Devito]
DANNY DeVITO in DVD Profiller becomes: Danny Devito [Danny DeVito]
and determined vote NO to any other contribution then these and so trying to enforce a personal preference.
DANNY DEVITO DVD Profiller changing to Danny DeVito = X that is not the credit.
DANNY DEVITO DVD Profiller changing to Danny Devito = X that is not his name.
While some agree in these cases the credited as should not be used at all for this purpose.
DANNY DEVITO = DANNY DeVITO = Danny Devito = Danny DeVito:
the name pronunciation does not change with the capitals used in this credit.
A common name would be very usefull. Enforcing one would be better, taking anyones logic out of the equation even better.
filtering the Name and the Credited As field on equal content comparing the strings against each other with one of these functions applied:
Uppercase
Lowercase
and erasing the content of the Credited As if both are equal, could be a consideration/solution. Actally a Comon Name is a horrible idea, paricularly on ethat is dependent upon user input. As I have said many times the linking system is primarily a local issue and not one for the Onlie beyond the concept of shar8ing the data. So, the correct answer still remains a simple association system which is not based upon uaers inputting correct data, yes it can be shared. AS long as the Common Name system continues to be used, it will be a nightmare,the database cannot be fixed to make it work, I am sorry Ken, that is the reality and we will always have these whacky and unnecessary threads. Danny DeVito or Danny Devito is not relevant as a common name, what is relevant is the way he is credited in the films, therefore all we need to know os that Danny Devito=Danny DeVito=Dan Devito=Daniel Devito, etc. No priorities given to any of them, we therefore need no CLT that is wholly dependent upon the way users input the data and their correctness in doing so, they are all linked as the same person, with the same kind of documentation we use to data to establish the link. Once that link is established then anyway he is searched will reveal the SAME set of films, regardless of how the individual user searches, those Search results could be set up in almost anyway Ken might chose, I would probably set them up based on the Searched for naming taking top priority and the other results in the listing being in order of frequency. But you won't HAVE to search on a A paricular name to get the result, [b]any one of the used names would trigger the same list. [/b] Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
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The other thin I want to know is that Levar=LeVar. If you are so concerned about correct names, the understand that Leroy is not ALWAYS LeRoy, it can be; it can also be Leroy...but credits for a movie program are far more important than "correct" names. For one thing, as we move lower in the Hollywood pecking order determining the real name become harder and harder to impossible.
[...]
Good point. Same goes for Mac... names. It can be either MacDonald or Macdonald, as Unicus reminded us in this thread by quoting englishplus.com Quote:
Some parts of last names may not be capitalized.
Sometimes the part of the last name following Mac (but never Mc or M') may not be capitalized. For example, Prime Minister J. R. MacDonald, but author George Macdonald. There is no rule, just learn the name.
Sometimes the part of the last name following the particles de, du, d', den, der, des, la, le, l', ten, ter, van, or von (and similar particles) may or may not be capitalized. The particles themselves may or may not be capitalized. Check to see how the person prefers it.
| | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
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we therefore need no CLT that is wholly dependent upon the way users input the data and their correctness in doing so, they are all linked as the same person, with the same kind of documentation we use to data to establish the link. Once that link is established
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But how would you establish which names are linked to which? | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | LOL, let's hope so, Giga. I know that credit is determined by contract, but i doubt they go into anything like this. "Now listen Danny, we are going to be using an all caps format in the credits so do you want it to be DeVITO, DEVITO or what."
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
DANNY DEVITO DVD Profiller changing to Danny DeVito = X that is not the credit. I would agree with that: there's nothing in that on-screen credits that warrants capitalizing the "V". Yes, you may feel you know, or even be able to document that to be correct, but we don't do that for DVD Profiler purposes. We're not after "real" or "correct" names, but we only deal with what's seen on screen. And again, there is absolutely nothing on the screen that would prompt you to enter a capital V. It's just not there. So I would vote against that. Quote:
DANNY DEVITO DVD Profiller changing to Danny Devito = X that is not his name. I would agree with that as well. Although you managed to transcribe the credit correctly, you forgot to add the man's common name, which is Danny DeVito. So I'd vote against that as well. Quote:
A common name would be very usefull. Indeed. "DANNY DEVITO" results in "Danny DeVito [Danny Devito]". Then we've captured both the guy's common name, plus the actual on-screen credit. It seems you've got all the pieces right, yet you still fail to reach the proper conclusion. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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I I simply do not understand the cmplete stuck on correct name and what value it brings to the program...
For me, I simply do not understand the complete stuck on "on screen" names, and what value it brings to the most important feature of the program : correct linking with movies. BTW, surfeur, contrary to your belief, the linking is not central to the Program, it is a FEATURE of the Program and it is derived from data compiled elsewhere in the Program, those are called CREDITS, the Credits are derived from the film not from some bizarre interpretation of Common Names. Unless you have the ability to convince the filmmakers of the rightness of your opinion.  Fat chance on that. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | I find this attitude ridiculous. The program is well near worthless if it doesn't have linking. I don't understand why you hate linking so much, in this fever to replicate credits (inaccurately, I might add). | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting gardibolt: Quote:
I find this attitude ridiculous. The program is well near worthless if it doesn't have linking. I don't understand why you hate linking so much, in this fever to replicate credits (inaccurately, I might add). I have to disagree with you here. I don't use linking. Never have. Probably never will. I use Profiler for the sole purpose of keeping track of my collection. Each profile is an entity unto itself and I don't care if the actors ever link. I do understand that other people feel differently, but to say "the program is well near worthless without linking," simply isn't true. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting gardibolt: Quote:
I find this attitude ridiculous. The program is well near worthless if it doesn't have linking. I don't understand why you hate linking so much, in this fever to replicate credits (inaccurately, I might add). I don't hate it, gardi. I don't like the way it has eben implemented, but that is another issue. I don't use linking myself, i don't need it. But, I recognize that many want it, unfortunately even though we now have it, we still have users who don't get it, don't understand how it functions and why, and still think they knw more than the data. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 404 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting gardibolt:
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I find this attitude ridiculous. The program is well near worthless if it doesn't have linking. I don't understand why you hate linking so much, in this fever to replicate credits (inaccurately, I might add).
I have to disagree with you here. I don't use linking. Never have. Probably never will. I use Profiler for the sole purpose of keeping track of my collection. Each profile is an entity unto itself and I don't care if the actors ever link.
I do understand that other people feel differently, but to say "the program is well near worthless without linking," simply isn't true. What I don't understand is, if you don't use linking, don't care to ever use it, then why would you even care what goes into the name fields as long as the "Credited As" field is filled in correctly, and everybody who wants linking already understands what that field (Credited As) is for. People who want linking are trying to come to some type of concenus on how to use the 3 names fields. It won't change the Credited As field, wouldn't change the way you see the data. I mean I can figure out why Skupnit doesn't get it, it's above a 3rd grade understanding, but I gave you more credit than that. | | | The Other DVD Forum
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