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Just for the record: I did NOT say - "essentially" or in any other form - that we shouldn't have rules. Neither did I advocate users doing "whatever they damn well please". I believe that what I said was 100% in compliance with Ken's statements in this thread - I even quoted him.

What I said was that while users making contributions in agreement with Ken's stance on this may still not meet your personal standards for your local database (which I reckon to be something along the lines of "nothing gets into my database which I don't consider to be 100% perfect"), they may well help the overall quality of the (Invelos) database. I reckon you don't see a lot of profiles from smaller localities, but believe me, you don't want to know what state they're in sometimes. Such profiles would clearly benefit by carefully contributing in agreement with Ken's statements.

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Quoting dee1959jay:

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Edit: although there ARE cases in which I did copy the Overview from one locality to another myself. But those were Chinese releases with an overview in Chinese characters only. And I was VERY clear in my contribution notes on where I got the text from (UPC and all) and why I felt I had to contribute this way (i.e. DVDP's inability to handle Chinese characters).

All these contributions (16 so far, still 8 to go) were approved so far.

Yes, sometimes it is inevitable. Just received "Ong-Bak 2" from ethaicd.com and the complete overview is in thai --> uncontributable.

Not everyone may have the exact same definition of what "limited" constitutes - you of all people (no offense) should know how everyone here loves to "interpret" just about anything to the point of... well, never mind. Anyway, all this theoretical talk is rather pointless - let's deal with it when it actually happens, okay? I'd say if someone is actually contributing to one of your profiles, and it's not an improvement, you just vote against it. There's no need to make things any more difficult than that.

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Anybody that tries to claim otherwise is just playing games to justify doing whatever they want. 

I've thought the same thing myself on several recent occasions... 

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What about a profile with clearly IMDb-mined data? For that I would gladly accept a fully audited cast and crew from another locality, and risk the off-chance that credits vary across localities. With IMDb the chance that the credits are wrong is WAY higher...

Indeed. James addressed these, and similar valid points, all right here, a post which he ended by proposing the exact approach to this that was adopted by Ken a few posts later, stating: "If you are contributing to a profile that you don't own, our only requirement is that the notes submitted accurately reflect the source of the data, and state the specific profile used as the source." Again, let's stop talking theory, and let the voters and the screeners deal with it if/when it actually happens. I for one don't think there's any problem whatsoever, so there's no reason to keep arguing about it.

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What about a profile with clearly IMDb-mined data? For that I would gladly accept a fully audited cast and crew from another locality, and risk the off-chance that credits vary across localities. With IMDb the chance that the credits are wrong is WAY higher...

Indeed. James addressed these, and similar valid points, all right here, a post which he ended by proposing the exact approach to this that was adopted by Ken a few posts later, stating: "If you are contributing to a profile that you don't own, our only requirement is that the notes submitted accurately reflect the source of the data, and state the specific profile used as the source." Again, let's stop talking theory, and let the voters and the screeners deal with it if/when it actually happens. I for one don't think there's any problem whatsoever, so there's no reason to keep arguing about it.

My personal take on it is that Ken's first comment (re: "limited or blank cast") was an example whereas his follow up comment (which T!M quoted above) is the guideline to follow. Updating a profile that is "complete" with IMDb-mined data seems fine to me as long as the guideline is followed.

You might want to go out and actually enjoy the nice sunny weather we're having, T!M! 

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IMDb-mined data, for me at least, doesn't fall into that catagory.  Your mileage, as always, will vary. 

It does indeed - I'm with James on this. I'll be interested to see the number of users voting to keep the IMDb-mined data in spite of a fully-audited, as credited set of data. My previously expressed belief that this is all theoretical nonsense is getting stronger by the minute. Again, I suggest we'll see how it turns out if/when it actually happens. In the meantime, I'll bathe in a warm, fuzzy feeling of confidence, okay? 

I wish I could say that I was surprised, but I am not...then again, I don't believe I am the keeper of the entire db. 

That being said, I may start contributing to profiles that are blank.  I mean, it really doesn't cause me any extra work as I have already done the audit...PLUS, it could have the added benefit of giving me a respectable contribution number.