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Contributing to Profiles of DVD's you Don't Own
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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I only know of one user who even does this. How big is this problem?

There are only a few that I have seen doing this, but I have to chuckle and shake my head at some of the replies.  I seem to recall Skip trying to do this a while back and getting hammered for meddling in localities other than his own. 

Yep, yep yep.

Skip
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Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorruben.
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Registered: March 31, 2007
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Try to look at the The Jewel of the Nile at this moment right now is one of the contributor claim thats he own at least 31 of the The Jewel of the Nile in the DB.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
Registered: May 29, 2007
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I wouldn't mind if someone contibuted data to a profile they didn't own if they do own a copy of the DVD and had taken all the data from their DVD's credits.

If, for some reason, there were a few discrepencies between editions most of the data is correct. I would be grateful that most, if not all, of the information is done and that I would only have to fix what was incorrect.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantGemini76
Registered: May 18, 2007
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If we are not allowed to contribute profiles we don't own, then it should also be illegal to clone profiles. For when cloning, you contribute this data (from a DVD you don't own) as your own DVD.

Of course you should be able to rely on the data allready approved, but we all know those may be cloned from others again, and the source for the first one (not cloned) may often be imdb.

But when a user actually fixes a profile, using the real film credits to add cast/crew, then it should be better to update all the profiles cloned from the same faulty one, then to just leave all the others as is.

I just did Stealth myself, and I was amased at how bad the credits were. Black ops people was originally credited as civilians 
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorwhispering
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IMO this yet another classic arguement where people that slam it down, are the ones not feeling the effects. And the ones that this is actually effecting are just happy to get proper information.

I personally like to thank each and everyone that have gone above and beyond to help get my profiles more complete without any gain for themselves

I voted: You Can Change All Profiles for Films You Own (Cast & Crew Only)
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IMO this yet another classic arguement where people that slam it down, are the ones not feeling the effects. And the ones that this is actually effecting are just happy to get proper information.

I personally like to thank each and everyone that have gone above and beyond to help get my profiles more complete without any gain for themselves

I voted: You Can Change All Profiles for Films You Own (Cast & Crew Only)

A contibuter is tying to do what you think is OK but the cast in his loclity to the cast in my locality is different. I verified his contribution against my disk and it is wrong. By your statement you are promoting bad dad into the online system.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDragon 6
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If we are not allowed to contribute profiles we don't own, then it should also be illegal to clone profiles. For when cloning, you contribute this data (from a DVD you don't own) as your own DVD.(

If I clone a dvd that I don't own it would come from the region I live in and then I would VERIFY that the if I am going to contribute to is correct. I don't have to type each and every person. Once I know it is correct for the dvd I own then I contribute the new profile.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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I verified his contribution against my disk and it is wrong.

So then you vote against it. That's what we do when people contribute bad data. And rightly so, of course. I have a very simply approach to things: if a contribution is correct, I vote "yes", and if it's not, I vote "no". Not exactly revolutionary, but it works wonders. 
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NO KIDDING. I did vote NO. But the 9 other blindy voted YES are allowing bad info into the system.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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NO KIDDING. I did vote NO. But the 9 other blindy voted YES are allowing bad info into the system.

Users sleepwalking through the voting process does happen from time to time - or maybe they just don't agree with you that there are errors (look here, for instance). Anyway, if there's really something wrong with the contribution - I don't own the title, so I couldn't say - then you just point that out with your no-vote, and trust that the screeners will make the right decision.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorwhispering
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A contibuter is tying to do what you think is OK but the cast in his loclity to the cast in my locality is different. I verified his contribution against my disk and it is wrong. By your statement you are promoting bad dad into the online system.


You have no country indication nor do you have your online collection visible, so arguing is pointless. I stand by my previous post and advice you to just vote 'No' in such case.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDragon 6
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A contibuter is tying to do what you think is OK but the cast in his loclity to the cast in my locality is different. I verified his contribution against my disk and it is wrong. By your statement you are promoting bad dad into the online system.


You have no country indication nor do you have your online collection visible, so arguing is pointless. I stand by my previous post and advice you to just vote 'No' in such case.

It should not matter where I am or if you could see my online collection. Pointis we should not contribute info for profiles in other localities if we do not own the disk. However now you can see I belong to region 1 and what movies I own.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorwhispering
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It should not matter where I am or if you could see my online collection. Pointis we should not contribute info for profiles in other localities if we do not own the disk. However now you can see I belong to region 1 and what movies I own.


It usually doesnt, in this case it does. When i contribute a US profile last time, i got more votes then ive got to all finnish profiles combined in the past year. In my experience 99% of the cast/crew in finnish profiles are copied from other profiles to begin with. This is what i ment when i said "people that slam it down, are the ones not feeling the effects.", it wouldnt effect you because theres always someone that would do it anyway. You are in a position to ask a lot. Here, thats not the case. I have 30 contributions in my recent contributions page, 20 of those were new profiles. I'm happy theres others that help me with the existing ones. If there wasnt, i would just copy the cast from most likely a less complete profile myself.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I am sorry whispering, I cannot accept semi-correct data, which is why I stopped my experiment over a year ago. After just a few days, and it wasn't a problem with a US Region title, I discovered a discrepancy between a US listing and a foreign listing, thanks to a user and immediately stopped.

What we have now is auser blatantly misleading people and making assumption relative to Common Names, just exactly how much BAD data is this single user introducing into the database, one day it will be found and his lack of credibility will be displayed for one and all, but in the meantime he is allowed to run rampant throughout the database all while doing so behind closed doors since he won't load his collection for ALL to see and judge. I can't trust him any longer, to my own sadness, how can anyone else.

Skip
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Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDragon 6
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When we cross copy between regions and we can not verify the data to be the same/correct in the new region then it should not be down. How ever if I was you (whispering) living in your region and copied/cloned a DVD/Blu-ray from region 1 to region 2 (meaning other region to mine), I then can verify the info from the disc I have in hand, then I could contribute the new profile.

However we should not be in one region and clone to another we do not belong to because we can not verify the info to be the same.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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It usually doesnt, in this case it does. When i contribute a US profile last time, i got more votes then ive got to all finnish profiles combined in the past year. In my experience 99% of the cast/crew in finnish profiles are copied from other profiles to begin with. This is what i ment when i said "people that slam it down, are the ones not feeling the effects.", it wouldnt effect you because theres always someone that would do it anyway. You are in a position to ask a lot. Here, thats not the case. I have 30 contributions in my recent contributions page, 20 of those were new profiles. I'm happy theres others that help me with the existing ones. If there wasnt, i would just copy the cast from most likely a less complete profile myself.

But we are feeling the effect...just not in the same way you are.  You don't have a lot of people contributing profiles, and that is unfortunate, but that doesn't mean we should have to deal with bad data from other regions.

While I feel for you, Ken and Gerri have both made statements saying you should not contribute profiles for discs you do not own.  For me, that should be the end of it...at least for anybody who reads these forums.
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