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Common name for Craig Heath / Craig 'Pup' Heath / Craig "Pup" Heath
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRogue.9
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I am trying to find the common name for sound recordist Craig Heath / Craig 'Pup' Heath / Craig "Pup" Heath
The CLT counts are inconclusive  with him being credited for the same films under both names possibly due to profiles being copied from IMDB.
Craig 'Pup' Heath is credited in the following 14 titles (30 profiles): (variants of 12 films/TV series)
Craig "Pup" Heath is credited in the following 48 titles (225 profiles): (variants of 38 films/TV series)
Craig Heath is credited in the following 45 titles (210 profiles): (variants of 41 films/TV series)

Using CLT, variants of his name seems to be for variants of the following movies/ TV shows . If anybody has any of the following titles could you please let me know what he is credited as.

Craig Heath (10 confirmed)
Ali
Anastasia (confirmed by Danae Cassandra)
Anna and the King
Catch Me If You Can (confirmed by Daddy DVD)
Commando
Die Hard (confirmed by Rogue.9)
The Family Stone
Forces of Nature
Home Alone 3
Hope Floats (confirmed by Danae Cassandra)
How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days
Jingle All The Way
Jumpin' Jack Flash
The Life of David Gale
Madagascar (confirmed by Gemini76)
Miami Vice
Munich (confirmed by Danae Cassandra)
Predator (confirmed by Rogue.9)
Shark Tale (confirmed by Kluge)
Shrek 2 (confirmed by Kluge)
Shrek the Third (confirmed by Kluge)
The Simpsons: The Complete Fourth Season
The Terminal
The X-Files Movie
Unfaithful
War of the Worlds

Craig 'Pup' Heath (1 confirmed)
Anna and the King
Die Hard 4.0 (Live Free or Die Hard)
Kung Fu Panda (confirmed by Rogue.9)
The Road to El Dorado
Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas

Craig "Pup" Heath (22 confirmed)
10 Items or Less
Anna and the King
Bee Movie (confirmed by jmbox)
Blades of Glory (confirmed by Rogue.9)
Chain Reaction (confirmed by RAPMAN)
Cloverfield (confirmed by RAPMAN)
Die Hard 4.0 (Live Free or Die Hard)
Down with Love
Elektra (confirmed by Kluge)
The Family Stone
Fever Pitch (The Perfect Catch)
Flight of the Phoenix (confirmed by Gemini76)
Flushed Away (confirmed by Rogue.9)
Independence Day (confirmed by Kluge)
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (confirmed by Danae Cassandra)
The Insider (confirmed by RAPMAN)
Just My Luck (confirmed by Daddy DVD)
Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events (confirmed by Daddy DVD)
M:i-2 (Mission: Impossible 2) (confirmed by RAPMAN)
Miami Vice
Minority Report (confirmed by Daddy DVD)
Moulin Rouge (confirmed by Kluge)
The Phantom of the Opera (confirmed by Danae Cassandra)
Planet of the Apes (2001) (confirmed by Daddy DVD)
The Road to El Dorado
Shrek (confirmed by Danae Cassandra)
The Simpsons Movie (confirmed by Rogue.9)
Sinbad: Legend Of The Seven Seas
The Spiderwick Chronicles
Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron
Street Kings (confirmed by Rogue.9)
The Thin Red Line (confirmed by Kluge)
Unfaithful
War of the Worlds
Welcome to Mooseport
The X-Files Movie
X-Men (confirmed by Rogue.9)
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I checked over a dozen of the titles you listed, but I didn't find a single contributable credit in any one of them (including some of those you have listed as "confirmed").

Mr. Heath is a technician often credited as a "recordist", not to be confused with "sound recordist", which is allowed, and is something else entirely. The shorter "recordist" credit, however, is not allowed, and for good reason: it translates to something like "tape recorder operator" (link). Well, we don't track those, obviously.

The "recordist" is one person from the little crew of assistants surrounding the actual "production sound mixer". Another one of those would be the "boom operator". In this scenario, the "recordist" is decidedly not a production sound mixer - he's only assisting the actual production sound mixer. You'll find that wherever this technician is credited, there is always, in literally every case, a proper "production sound mixer" credit listed. And that's the one we're after. There are also "recordists" (or "re-recordists"), who provide similar technical assistance to the actual "re-recording mixers". These shouldn't be entered either. As a rule of thumb, you just need to look for "proper" production sound mixer and re-recording mixer credits. If they're there, that's a sure sign the "recordist" shouldn't be entered.
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I got these one's in my Collection:

Craig "Pup" Heath:
The Insider
M:i-2 (Mission: Impossible 2)
Chain Reaction
Cloverfield

The Problem here is, that often "Recordist" is contributed as "Sound", because in the rules "Sound Recordist"/"Recorded by" is listed. I never would contribute him when he's just listed as "Recordist". On the other hand, if I try to remove those entries I get a lot of no votes, saying that "Recordist" is the same as "Sound Recordist"/"Recorded by" as per rule. So I gave up to Remove this Entries.
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I understand the confusion, but that doesn't change the fact that he *really* doesn't belong in our database. I realise the difference is small, but the "recordist" credit does not equal the allowed "sound recordist" or "recorded by" credits in the contribution rules, and for good reason. It's really something else entirely.
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I understand the confusion, but that doesn't change the fact that he *really* doesn't belong in our database. I realise the difference is small, but the "recordist" credit does not equal the allowed "sound recordist" or "recorded by" credits in the contribution rules, and for good reason. It's really something else entirely.

Oh puhlease, get a grip. By your comment, Tim, most movies would have no Director, they usually are Directed By...it's a small difference, Tim...but

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Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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Oh puhlease, get a grip. By your comment, Tim, most movies would have no Director, they usually are Directed By...it's a small difference, Tim...but

Oh puhlease, don't try and be smug for once. Especially since I've checked a number of these titles in your online collection, and what do you know: you generally haven't entered Mr. Heath. And rightly so, of course. But that does render your comment rather pointless. Look, we can't change the fact that Hollywood uses very similar terms for entirely different jobs, we just have to deal with it. In this case, we do enter a "sound recordist", as it's the equivalent of a production sound mixer, and we don't enter a "recordist", as it's only an assisting technician. Since, judging from the data in your online collection, we're on the same page on this, I don't understand the need for this "get a grip" attack... 
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Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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Quoting T!M:
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I understand the confusion, but that doesn't change the fact that he *really* doesn't belong in our database. I realise the difference is small, but the "recordist" credit does not equal the allowed "sound recordist" or "recorded by" credits in the contribution rules, and for good reason. It's really something else entirely.

Oh puhlease, get a grip. By your comment, Tim, most movies would have no Director, they usually are Directed By...it's a small difference, Tim...but

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Yes, but "Directed by" is supported by the rules
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Yes, but "Directed by" is supported by the rules

Indeed it is. "Recordist" is not, and, as pointed out earlier, for good reason.
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Catch Me if You Can: Re-Recordist, so not approved according to the rules.

But why are you talking about UK translations when infact this film is American?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Quoting T!M:
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Oh puhlease, get a grip. By your comment, Tim, most movies would have no Director, they usually are Directed By...it's a small difference, Tim...but

Oh puhlease, don't try and be smug for once. Especially since I've checked a number of these titles in your online collection, and what do you know: you generally haven't entered Mr. Heath. And rightly so, of course. But that does render your comment rather pointless. Look, we can't change the fact that Hollywood uses very similar terms for entirely different jobs, we just have to deal with it. In this case, we do enter a "sound recordist", as it's the equivalent of a production sound mixer, and we don't enter a "recordist", as it's only an assisting technician. Since, judging from the data in your online collection, we're on the same page on this, I don't understand the need for this "get a grip" attack... 

Now, Tim excatly why do you think I haven't usually listed Mr. Heath. I'll wager if you think about it you''ll come up with the answer. Over time this has evolved somewhat due to Hollywood, and I am still relatively undecided about. But tghere is a very definitive reason.

I'll give you a hint it has nothing to do with your rather odd rationale.

Now BTW with the changes you keep trying to make, exactly when do you propose to let people see your collection so they can verify your ownership, or are you trying to function so that users can't see you that you are ignoring the Rules sometimes and ignoring what Ken & Gerri have said?

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Catch Me if You Can: Re-Recordist, so not approved according to the rules.

But why are you talking about UK translations when infact this film is American?

Correct

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I think it's time for a little reminder (a thing I posted a while ago in the rules forum):

Quoting Daddy DVD:
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This specific issue is indeed something that I've been fighting for a while now...

I know and I had to be sure before I started to remove the ones I had left in my personal database and so I asked the sound expert the following question:

Quoting Daddy DVD:
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Can you tell me the difference between a Sound Recordist, a Recordist, a Sound Re-Recordist and a Re-Recordist? Is it safe to say that a Sound Recordist does the same job as a Recordist and a Sound Re-Recordist does the same job as a Re-Recordist? According to the rules we are allowed to enter a Sound Recordist as Sound and a Sound Re-recordist as Sound Re-recording Mixer, but I also have added Recordists and Re-recordists under those roles.

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Hi Martin,

there is NO difference between a Recordist and a Sound Recordist. And there is also no difference between a Re-Recordist and a Sound Re-Recordist. To me, the mentioning of the word "Sound" seems to be just for people with very few knowledge in film business terms, to tell them, that the job has to do with Sound at all.

Anyhow, there is a clear difference between a Recordist and a Re-Recordist: The Recordist does first generation recordings with microphones e.g. on the film set or in the dubbing studio. The Re-Recordist is a technician who works in the dubbing theatre where the film's sound premixes and the final mix are made (by the Re-Recoding Mixers).

So in this case the Profiler is quite wrong, because the Sound Re-Recordist is not equal to the Re-Recording Mixer. The first is just a technician (which according to Profiler rules must not be mentioned), the second is a very important artist achieving the film's final sound presentation. Of course it may happen, that the Re-Recording Mixer is misleadingly credited as a Re-Recordist. That seems likely if there is just a Re-Recordist in the credits but no Re-Recording Mixer. But that would be just a rare exception in my opinion.


But as always things are not as clear as that. There is also the possibility of a Sound Recordist in the credits who works in the post-production sound facility as a technician like the above mentioned Re-Recordist, assisting the Re-Recording Mixer or the Sound Editor. That is often so in modern, big international films which have a huge post-production crew.

In opposite to that You may find a Sound Recordist in films of the 40's or 50's or 60's of the last century, mainly mentioned as the only sound guy in the whole credits or just together with one or two other sound crew members. Then it is very likely that he did the recording on the film set, not in the dubbing theatre.


However, there is some confusion with the terms as long as the one who does the sound recording on the film set is called Sound Recordist only in the U.K. The Americans call their Sound Recordists Production Sound Mixers, which is subjective of being a Sound Re-Recordist in the studio. And the confusion continues because now they start to call their Re-Recording Mixers sometimes also Sound Mixers. So it's very hard to find out who is who. The position in the credits is sometimes helpful. The Sound Recordist / Production Sound Mixer (who does the sound recording on the film set) is normally mentioned together with his boom operator and other people who did their job obviously on the film set. The Sound Re-Recordist is normally credited together with the sound editors department in the post-production credits block. Additionally if unsecure, it may be helpful to have a quick look into the IMDB to find out what the guy in question has done so far. If he e.g. has never worked as a Production Sound Mixer before but always as a Re-Recording Mixer it is quite unlikely that he abruptly changed his profession.

Another hint: If - in modern U.S. films - there is an separated early credit in the roll-titles for a Sound Mixer, maybe together with a Supervising Sound Editor or a Sound Designer, it is very likely that they mean the Re-Recording Mixer, not the Production Sound Mixer.

Summary:
The (Sound) Re-Recordist must not be mentioned in the DVD-Profiler. Only exception: If there is no Re-Recording Mixer credited. Then have a look in the IMDB to find out whether this Re-Recordist did jobs as a Re-Recording Mixer before. That my be a quite sure hint that there is a wrong expression in the credits.

The (Sound) Recordist should go into the Profiler database only if he is credited
a) as the only mentioned sound personel (in older films) = then as "Sound"
b) together with one or two other crew members who are credited as "Sound" only; in this case he was the Production Sound Mixer who did the recordings on the set and therefore should be entered into the Profiler that way (in my opinion, not according tothe Profiler rules).
c) in films from the U.K.: Here he is definitely the Production Sound Mixer and should be entered into the Profiler that way (in my opinion, not according tothe Profiler rules).

He must not be entered into the profiler database if he is credited inside the post-production block below the Re-Recording Mixers and/or Sound Editors, because then he is just a member of the technical staff.

Isn't it confusing?
Martin Zuidervliet

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Anastasia => Craig Heath (Recordist - in the Post Production section of credits)

(will check a couple more after breakfast)
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That is certainly more logical that what Tim said.

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Quoting Daddy DVD:
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I think it's time for a little reminder [...]

Always a good idea...    It's so frustrating that we keep having to fight the same battles over and over again.
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I think it's time for a little reminder [...]

Always a good idea...    It's so frustrating that we keep having to fight the same battles over and over again.


This only means the community is growing
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