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Hiroshi Kan Ikeuchi common name
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
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As far as I'm aware, has any of his information been proven wrong?


I think I've read quite everything on those forums since Intervocative became Invelos, and I do not remember any significant error from T!M. I've read two ot three people, full of hatred, saying he had sent bad information, but without documenting those "errors". Easy to accuse without giving proves...

To be more precise, I do not agree with T!M's position about taking everything exactly as on screen, even when he knows the data is incorrect. But T!M is coherent, and always takes the same position, so I respect what he does. I do not respect people who, on the same type of subject, choose black on a thread and white on another two days later.
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I don't believe T!M is one of these people though. As far as I'm aware, has any of his information been proven wrong?


Yes it has. I won't go into the how's and where's here as this would only instigate further derailing of this thread. But, the answer is YES - he has been proven wrong - several times!

OK, so he's made a few wrong contributions. Who hasn't? Move on.
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I don't believe T!M is one of these people though. As far as I'm aware, has any of his information been proven wrong?


Yes it has. I won't go into the how's and where's here as this would only instigate further derailing of this thread. But, the answer is YES - he has been proven wrong - several times!

OK, so he's made a few wrong contributions. Who hasn't? Move on.


Say what? Did you read my post? The direct question from Vittra was if anyone had any knowledge that T!m had made any faulty submissions, and my answer was, and still remain YES.

We have all made them, needless to say, but what does that have to do with anything?!
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Oh, I'm sure I have, and will make the occasional error once in a while - of course we all try not to, but it's a simple fact of life that manual data entry WILL resort in the odd mistake ocassionally. Nobody's infallibe; it's bound to happen to everyone of us at some point, I guess. I've personally found that the most errors stem from working on existing profiles: if there's a pre-existing one-letter-typo somewhere buried in one entry in the middle of a hundred cast members, and you're checking them against the actual credits, it's sometimes pretty easy to miss that one little deviation. In that regard, it may even be easier to start from scratch.

But hey: mistakes are what we have the voting system for: if we catch someone making an error, that offers us the opportunity to point it out, and hopefully get it fixed. All in all, I'd say the system works wonders. 

For the record: I notice that Vittra originally responded to the report of a contributor presenting false CLT numbers, and that certainly is something that I've never done. If I've made a mistake, then it was an honest mistake, but certainly nothing else.

What all this has to do with Mr. Ikeuchi's common name, though, I don't understand at all...
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Oh, I'm sure I have, and will make the occasional error once in a while - of course we all try not to, but it's a simple fact of life that manual data entry WILL resort in the odd mistake ocassionally. Nobody's infallibe; it's bound to happen to everyone of us at some point, I guess. I've personally found that the most errors stem from working on existing profiles: if there's a pre-existing one-letter-typo somewhere buried in one entry in the middle of a hundred cast members, and you're checking them against the actual credits, it's sometimes pretty easy to miss that one little deviation. In that regard, it may even be easier to start from scratch.

But hey: mistakes are what we have the voting system for: if we catch someone making an error, that offers us the opportunity to point it out, and hopefully get it fixed. All in all, I'd say the system works wonders. 

What all this has to do with Mr. Ikeuchi's common name, though, I don't understand at all...


And this coming from a person contributing profiles of DVD's he don't even own! You have even insisted on propogating your errors by hammering no-votes, when proven wrong ("The Rock" springs to mind)
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I'm sorry: I won't sink to your level. Have fun, though - I'll go and audit some profiles instead.


Oh, and I was decidedly not "proven wrong" on 'The Rock', by the way - that's another one of your flat-out lies.
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Where are moderators ? We are fed up with those hateful comments...
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Whether or not it's a strong insult is irrelevant. One of the forum rules that Ken has decided upon for banning includes
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which this definitely counts as.
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Everybody makes mistakes. I made the mistake of reading this thread. Pages and pages of nonsense over what should be something simple.

There was also the time my mother caught me masturbating when I was 13 but thats another story for another thread.
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Whether or not it's a strong insult is irrelevant. One of the forum rules that Ken has decided upon for banning includes
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which this definitely counts as.


Explain please.... 
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What's to explain?    You're attacking users which goes against the forum rules.
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Hmm...It appears my question of whether T!M makes mistakes ran rampant.  (Sorry T!M, did not intend on opening a can of worms for you)

As for my original question, let me just add that I am perfectly aware everyone makes small errors here and there. I agree that this is just the nature of data entry. The thing that kinda throws me off though is many people seem to have this insanely bad taste in their mouth about what T!M does and from my standpoint I haven't seen any conclusive evidence to show he really is that untrustworthy.

Berak, it seems you have encountered such a case so I can somewhat understand your viewpoint but at the same time I'm not sure the extreme you take it is really well founded. Speaking for myself (and I understand people deal with situations different ways), if I had found T!M making an error on a title in which I knew to be incorrect, I would vote No, explaining to the screeners that the contribution was indeed incorrect. Which you might have done, I don't know, but it seems maybe this particular case of error might have gotten past the screeners (making assumptions here).

If you felt it was in error, send a message to Ken or Gerri, which I've been told are very responsive to these types of matters, and can see about getting said error corrected. We have been shown on numerous occasions that the screeners are very much human as well and make mistakes from time to time.

Upon repetitive mistakes, provided you've run into mistakes time and time again that an individual has done, this is when I would start checking everything he/she does that's in my database. I wouldn't trust the work that's presented by them, but I still don't think if you presented your proof that said data is incorrect in your No vote, that too much of it would get past a screener.

I don't know, this is only my take on the situation, and I don't mean to get on anyone's bad side. I really just have a hard time understanding the distrust towards someone who I believe is one of our more dedicated and passionate members we have. Then again, my collection is relatively small compared to many of your's so the amount of T!M's contributions I actually see is limited. 

My whole point was to bring up the question of what actually is causing the distrust. Is it the fact that the information has been proven wrong? Or is it just the fact that the information isn't well documented?  The first I can somewhat understand, but that's what the voting system is for. The second I just don't understand at all. Documentation is nice, but as far as I'm concerned, the data submitted is far more important.
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Vittra:

I don't mean to attack Tim, but for me the LAST straw realtive to trusting his work was the incident described by my extra terrestrial friend, which he did not bother to correct. He left his note as it stood which was his famous, it is true because i say so, and his say so was proven to be wrong...that is fact. That incident alone was enough to break the camel's back,  and as I have said repeatedly myself. I will never ask you to vote on something merely because i say it is so, and I will NOT accept such an arrogant attitude from any other user. I am concerned about the accuracy of this database and all that users who refuse to disclose their research or CLT results andthe users who support them , have told me is that they are far more concerned with their own egos than they are the database. Egos is not the right word but it escapes me at the moment.

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Nobody's infallibe; it's bound to happen to everyone of us at some point, I guess.

And I quote Alexander Pope: "To err is human; to forgive, divine."
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I don't mean to attack Tim, but for me the LAST straw realtive to trusting his work was the incident described by my extra terrestrial friend, which he did not bother to correct.

Again: that wasn't me. Please stop implying that it was.
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