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Does Blu-Ray have better sound than DVD and/or HDTV broadcast?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCubbyUps
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I was just wondering if Blu-Ray does have better sound than either DVD and/or HDTV broadcasts.

And if so, how is it better?


The reason I'm asking is because a friend of mine is saying that they heard rumbling sounds on a Blu-Ray that wasn't audible on a TV broadcast.
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The audio used on Blu-ray is generally either DTS HD Master Audio or Dolby TrueHD. There are others such as PCM but those are the two main variants.

The sound is better than either Dolby Digital or standard DTS because they use a higher bitrate to encode the audio track. As a result, you'll get a fuller range from your speakers & it'll be a lot crisper & as your friend mentioned, sometimes you'll be able to pick up extra effects which aren't as noticeable on DVD. Your Blu-ray player & sound system need to be able to accept these formats otherwise you'll only hear the same as you would from a DVD.

Edit: I don't know about Stateside HDTV, but over here, some channels are broadcast in Dolby Digital 5.1 so they're just the same quality as a DVD.
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Moreover, the HD sound formats can do 7.1 rather than 5.1 sound (even though the number of releases actually using this are still relatively scarce). In addition to Forget's excellent reply, I could say that the new HD sound formats are lossless, whereas DD and DTS are lossy formats. PCM is uncompressed.
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Last but not least:

Even standard DD 5.1 has in most cases a higher bitrate than on DVD. (DVD: 384kpbs or 448kbps, BluRay: 640kbps)
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I was just wondering if Blu-Ray does have better sound than either DVD and/or HDTV broadcasts.

Well, 'does' is the wrong word, it should be 'could'
And yes, BD absolutely can have better audio.
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And if so, how is it better?

The big data capacity of BD allows lossless audiocodecs. Where simple Dolby Digital and dts had to really throw away unneeded data, the new HD-audios carry everything that is there. Depending on your hardware (home-theatre and ears!) that might make a big difference.
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The reason I'm asking is because a friend of mine is saying that they heard rumbling sounds on a Blu-Ray that wasn't audible on a TV broadcast.

Well, that might root in the better codecs or in a downgraded audio for the broadcast.

I don't know how they do it on HDTV, but for normal broadcast the dynamic audio range is severely compressed so that everything from a whisper to an atomic explosion has almost the same level. On DVD/BD this range is far greater.

Maybe on said broadcast they left out the .1-channel or the reduced the range or they simply screwed up half a dozen other possibilities.

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And my "lossless" in Mithi's post, that means "no data was lost".  It's possible to have the exact same sound track as in the theater (minus the 20 speaker split of course ).
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Ah, the old lossless debate though. Forget gave a great answer but the whole lossless v lossy debate is one that is far greater. Lot's will depend on the master being used, how it is encoded etc. A good lossy track may only have 1's and 0's taken out that cannot be noticed, whereas a poor lossless track may come from a master in a studio that was poor to begin with.

Suffice to say BD has the capacity to sound much better that DVD or HD broadcasts due to higher bitrate availability - is it true in all cases? almost certainly not.
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Suffice to say BD has the capacity to sound much better that DVD or HD broadcasts due to higher bitrate availability - is it true in all cases? almost certainly not.


That is it in a nutshell.  As much as I love my DTS-HD, Dolby True HD, Yamaha receiver, I can't tell the difference between bluray audio tracks and DVD DTS tracks.  Each sounds just as good as the other to me (assuming both are correctly mastered).  I fully understand the additional compression inherent in the limited space on a DVD, but to my less-than-audiophile ears, I cannot hear the difference.  If I blast a DTS DVD on my 5.1 setup, it sounds glorious.  I can distinctly hear helicopters coming at me from behind the couch, and street racers revving their engines in the kitchen.  I have more than once thought someone was trying to break in during a horror movie when the surround channels were the only ones emitting sounds behind my chair.  If I blast a bluray on the same 5.1 setup (the receiver supports 7.2, but I have it setup for 5.1), it sounds just as grandiose.  What can I say?  Maybe Bach could hear the difference, but I can't. 

With Dolby Digital 5.1, for whatever reason, the exact same volume setting sounds a little more hushed than DTS, so that is a distinct difference (of course, then I just turn it up).  As for TV, I have given up on TV.  I'll try Over-the-air digital sometime this year, but the maxxed out compression, frequent digital noise (little square blocks), and pretend dolby digital of cable TV was just too painful to bear.

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Usually one needs pretty expensive speakers to really tell the difference.. I worked at an electronics retailer until recently and I tried it with speakers up to $1500 and you couldn't really tell the difference.. But when you have a set that's worth $3000 and upwards the difference becomes very apparent..
But even with cheaper sets you sometimes can tell.. I tried it with a Onkyo Receiver plus speakers for like $700 and when I changed the sound on the Blade Runner BD from DD 5.1 to Dolby True HD there was a noticeable difference..
But like I said, to really make a big difference you need very good speakers..
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When I just use my TV, I don't really hear the difference except perhaps that the lossless tracks are a bit more powerful, so to speak.

When pushing it through an Onkyo TX-SR607 with Bowers & Wilkins MT-25 home theater speakers & woofer (roughly 2.000 euro worth of setup), I most definitely hear a difference.
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When I just use my TV...


TVs have speakers?   
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When I just use my TV...


TVs have speakers?   

Yes! They do! ... one on each side no less! 
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When I just use my TV...


TVs have speakers?   

Yes! They do! ... one on each side no less! 


Mine doesn't.

It's possible to buy speakers and mount them either on the side, or underneath the TV. But since I neither need or want the speakers, I haven't bought them.
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When I just use my TV...


TVs have speakers?   

Yes! They do! ... one on each side no less! 


Mine doesn't.


nor mine!

we have a Meridian 5.1 surround system, 3 DSP5000s across the front with M20s at the back and a M1500 sub driven from 562V/518/565Z3 electronics
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In order to take full advantage of the HD sound on BD movies you must have the proper and I must say High End equipment to play it. I have such a system and I personally can't hear the difference but my wife & son say they can. A good surround sound system with decent speakers are all I need.
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Yeah, it's true some TV's don't have speakers. Mine does and were useful when I didn't have my home theater setup. Now that I do, I never use those speakers anymore and in retrospect, I should've bought a HT + HDTV at the same time and got a model without side speakers. The same size of TV has a bigger screen then thanks to the space saved by the exclusion of speakers. Something I'll need to remember for our next TV purchase!
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