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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Personally, I'm against this in any form, even archival footage that's been manipulated to propel story. The bottom line is that when the original footage was shot, it was not with the particular feature in mind. Even undocumented cast are consciously being filmed for the feature they are appearing in. Archival footage is simply archival footage. These people aren't cast members, they are historical images. Another one agreeing; to me it's like when a song is recorded for regular album/single release and then someone uses it within a film we say that there is no songwriter credit applicable as it wasn't written for the film... the same should, logically (to me anyway) apply here... obviously with the exception of when they are actually credited. | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong | | | | Last edited: by Voltaire53 |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Quoting mdnitoil:
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Personally, I'm against this in any form, even archival footage that's been manipulated to propel story. The bottom line is that when the original footage was shot, it was not with the particular feature in mind. Even undocumented cast are consciously being filmed for the feature they are appearing in. Archival footage is simply archival footage. These people aren't cast members, they are historical images.
So you wouldn't credit Bela Lugosi in Plan 9 from Outer Space, Marlon Brando in Superman Returns or Laurence Olivier in Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow? If they appear in the cast list, they appear in the cast list. That's pretty cut and dried. The top post which put the poll in context specifically mentioned uncredited appearances which is what I was referring to. |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Archive footage has nothing to do with the current cast of a movie. (That is imho what we track)
This is no material that was especially filmed for this movie. So all people that appear in a different way than originally filmed for the movie don't belong to the cast.
I would have no problems with tracking them in any way, I think I would like to have them tracked, but not as cast. |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | The problem would be: How to recognize material that wasn't specifically filmed for this movie?
In most cases that wouldn't be to much of a problem, but I'm thinking of movies like the Bourne-Trilogy, where in dream sequences are uncredited appearances from the previous parts of the sequel.
For someone only owning one of those movies it would be impossible to know that these are sequences from other movies.
So IMHO, if the "Archive footage" is fully integrated into the movie and cannot be distinguished from the rest, these "uncredited" should be allowed. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,188 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goblinsdoitall: Quote:
The problem would be: How to recognize material that wasn't specifically filmed for this movie?
In most cases that wouldn't be to much of a problem, but I'm thinking of movies like the Bourne-Trilogy, where in dream sequences are uncredited appearances from the previous parts of the sequel.
For someone only owning one of those movies it would be impossible to know that these are sequences from other movies.
So IMHO, if the "Archive footage" is fully integrated into the movie and cannot be distinguished from the rest, these "uncredited" should be allowed. Technically they would be allowed yes, but there is a very simple guide to follow when unsure, and it's in the Rules: "Uncredited actors are not required entries." The term "archive footage" seems to require some specific knowledge about the film before it can be used though. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Personally, I'm against this in any form, even archival footage that's been manipulated to propel story. The bottom line is that when the original footage was shot, it was not with the particular feature in mind. Even undocumented cast are consciously being filmed for the feature they are appearing in. Archival footage is simply archival footage. These people aren't cast members, they are historical images.  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Quoting mdnitoil:
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Personally, I'm against this in any form, even archival footage that's been manipulated to propel story. The bottom line is that when the original footage was shot, it was not with the particular feature in mind. Even undocumented cast are consciously being filmed for the feature they are appearing in. Archival footage is simply archival footage. These people aren't cast members, they are historical images.
So you wouldn't credit Bela Lugosi in Plan 9 from Outer Space, Marlon Brando in Superman Returns or Laurence Olivier in Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow? Ace: Since this is Credited data. That is a genuine very red herring. Don't invent non-existent problems. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goblinsdoitall: Quote:
The problem would be: How to recognize material that wasn't specifically filmed for this movie?
In most cases that wouldn't be to much of a problem, but I'm thinking of movies like the Bourne-Trilogy, where in dream sequences are uncredited appearances from the previous parts of the sequel.
For someone only owning one of those movies it would be impossible to know that these are sequences from other movies.
So IMHO, if the "Archive footage" is fully integrated into the movie and cannot be distinguished from the rest, these "uncredited" should be allowed. I do not consider dream sequences to be "archival footage" as a rule. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | People who are credited go in, even if they're not actually in the movie (there are several instances of folks in the credits whose scenes were cut entirely---but they stay in, whether by error or for contractual reasons). So whether they are there as archival footage is beside the point if they are credited.
Personally, I like having the archival things included, and am in favor of the revised rule remaining as it is. Like it or not, these people appear in the movie. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." | | | | Last edited: by gardibolt |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Personally, I'm against this in any form, even archival footage that's been manipulated to propel story. The bottom line is that when the original footage was shot, it was not with the particular feature in mind. Even undocumented cast are consciously being filmed for the feature they are appearing in. Archival footage is simply archival footage. These people aren't cast members, they are historical images. Agreed too  | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Leiterfluid: Quote:
Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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So you wouldn't credit Bela Lugosi in Plan 9 from Outer Space, Marlon Brando in Superman Returns or Laurence Olivier in Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow?
If they're actually in the credits, as I know is the case with Olivier in Sky Captain, they need to be included. Likewise, there's an episode of Tales from the Crypt with Humphrey Bogart as the "lead actor" (directed by, surprise surprise, Robert Zemeckis). I'm not voting in the poll as the is no other option. Personally I think if archive footage has been intergrated into the movie like the examples above then if they are not credited they could be with archive footage uncredited. But, if it is just a TV playing in the background or actors watching a movie in a theater then I would not include these as archive footage uncredited. As for documentaries with archive footage uncredited, I personnally would not include these as well. | | | Are you local?
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| | Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote:
...As for documentaries with archive footage uncredited, I personnally would not include these as well. I would include them in cases where archival interviews are incorporated into the documentary narrative. |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I do not consider dream sequences to be "archival footage" as a rule. Possibly not you, but Franka Potente got removed (at least) from the German profile of part 2. Reason: The sequence in which she appears wasn't specifically made for this movie, but for part 1. It got accepted and I locked down another profile. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goblinsdoitall: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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I do not consider dream sequences to be "archival footage" as a rule.
Possibly not you, but Franka Potente got removed (at least) from the German profile of part 2. Reason: The sequence in which she appears wasn't specifically made for this movie, but for part 1.
It got accepted and I locked down another profile. Yes, screw-ups do happen.  I would have voted no on such a contribution. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with hal here. To me, there is a huge difference between using footage that was shot for a film, in another film, and using historical footage. Neither JFK, Nixon, Johnson nor Lennon were in Forest Gump. Archival footage was manipulated to create that impression.
Franka Potente, on the other hand, was in a Bourne film. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am completely for adding archived footage as cast, but I also easily see why people wouldn't want it. This is one that it doesn't matter which way it goes, because I'll keep it local if it's voted down or whatever. I have absolutely nothing to offer.  | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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