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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
...To me, there is a huge difference between using footage that was shot for a film, in another film, and using historical footage....
Franka Potente, on the other hand, was in a Bourne film. I'm on the fence for situations like that. For one, I'm not keen on conditionals which this would introduce. Secondly, how far back would you allow someone to be given an uncredited, archive footage role? - Hypothetical situation, if in the next Star Trek film they use a sequence of James Doohan from The Wrath of Khan. Would you (collective) add him? What about a remake of Ben Hur with footage from the original? - Just something to think about. As I say, I'm not decided on this one yet so, convince me!  |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | In the Bourne Ultimatum (Bourne 3) Frank Potente has about a minute of screen time.
I submitted her Uncredited a year ago. It wasn't even a hard decision because
a) like the Martian said, she's been in prior Bourne casts
b) her footage was critical to forwarding the story along
c) while some images were from the prior films, some shots i hadn't seen in the prior films. Likely filmed for the first two and never used, but certainly new to the film series.
Doesn't even deserve to be part of the archival discussion IMHO. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Never having seen any of the Bourne films, I can only use your information.
In that situation I probably would give an uncredited role. I think for the simple reason that new, previously unused footage was used. Unless it's stated otherwise, there's no reason to say that they didn't film that sequence specifically for that film. It's not unheard of to film sequences from a later film while you have the necessary people in the right location. |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | This seems pretty overwhelming 10+ to 1 for the ban
Is there a specific wording that can be presented for addition into the rules?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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...To me, there is a huge difference between using footage that was shot for a film, in another film, and using historical footage....
Franka Potente, on the other hand, was in a Bourne film.
I'm on the fence for situations like that.
For one, I'm not keen on conditionals which this would introduce.
Secondly, how far back would you allow someone to be given an uncredited, archive footage role? - Hypothetical situation, if in the next Star Trek film they use a sequence of James Doohan from The Wrath of Khan. Would you (collective) add him? What about a remake of Ben Hur with footage from the original? - Just something to think about.
As I say, I'm not decided on this one yet so, convince me! My personal definition of "archive footage" does not include clips from other films/TV series. It is typically news reel footage. I'm not saying it's hard and fast, but, including footage from any prior movie or TV show would not be considered "archived footage" by me. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think the first thing we should hear about is why the original prohibition was lifted, Ken did so for a reason.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
I think the first thing we should hear about is why the original prohibition was lifted, Ken did so for a reason.
Skip That would certainly be helpful. Ken????? | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | My 2 cents, these credits annoy me and make roles and credits for people who never even dreamed of acting. If someone were to film me walking across the street and somehow that gets into a movie, did I act in the movie? No, I was walking across the street minding my own and don't deserve a credit (I'd say different to the SAG though, try and get me a card and a Playboy Mansion invite! ). I guess politicians are always acting though, so keep them!  |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
My personal definition of "archive footage" does not include clips from other films/TV series. It is typically news reel footage.
I'm not saying it's hard and fast, but, including footage from any prior movie or TV show would not be considered "archived footage" by me. The problem I have with that definition is that I wouldn't dream of giving an uncredited appearance if in a film/TV series the characters are watching a different film/TV series as they're completely unrelated. |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | A lot of documentaries make extensive use of this sort of footage. This leaves out abotu half the peopel featured in When We Left Earth, for example. |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | I personally don't think documentaries have any cast but that's a matter for a different thread! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,188 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
A lot of documentaries make extensive use of this sort of footage. This leaves out abotu half the peopel featured in When We Left Earth, for example. Aren't they typically credited on screen? | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | People in documentaries tend to be credited on-screen or named by a narrator, but isn't there some dispute as to whether this counts? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | Why wouldn't it? They're credited. Everyone credited is in. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | How is it different than if someone is watching the news in a movie and the anchor mentions JFK, who is shown on their TV? Is that crediting JFK? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Runs headfirst into a brick wall, OUCH. That'll leave a mark | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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