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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 940 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm sure Tom Gaines can take the data he has already accumulated and sort it to do just that, move every name that appears in every episode for a season to the top of the list, with the remaining cast sorted by episode. That would make this whole process painless. (Are you listening Tom  ) He has already made TV data available with episode dividers for cast/crew. I have only inserted one data set to see what it looks like, and IMO the results look good, but I can see the point about keeping those lists short. I am willing to go along with which ever method Ken decides on. | | | | Kevin |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 465 |
| | Posted: | | | | Option 2 for me. "Main cast", "recurring cast" etc. - sorry, but voters for option 1 must be kidding. Download Tom Gaines' new cast and crew lists and insert them into your profiles - it looks perfect. No need for any further complicated discussions.  | | | | Michael |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kinematics: Quote:
How about instead of trying to treat it as 'main' cast vs 'other', and whether they're credited in the opening or ending (most of the stuff I enter has no opening cast credits anyway), just consider it as a grouping for redundant entries. For a given disc entry, if person A is credited in some manner for a particular role for every single episode on the disc(s), put them at the top to reduce redundancy. Because almost everyone would like them grouped by episode, not by disc. | | | "I am Andrew Ryan and I am here to ask you a question:
Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow?
No, says the man in Washington. It belongs to the poor.
No, says the man in the Vatican. It belongs to God.
No, says the man in Moscow. It belongs to everyone.
I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something
different. I chose the impossible. I chose…
Rapture." |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 940 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ross, Tom has created a file with V3.0 compatible data with episode dividers already in place for all of the cast and crew data he has accumulated. You can find the d/l here. There is a link in the 5th post that will give you zip file for all of it. Open the xml in notepad, then copy and paste into profiler. I had a few issues, if you delete sections of data don't disturb the spacing on the leading and trailing lines. After a couple of tries I figured that out.  I still support #2 method. I'm going to upload a couple of 24 season 1 discs, with disc 1 using method #1 and disc 2 using method #2, give them a look and see what you think. | | | | Kevin |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | Personally, I don't know who this Tom is, what this is you speak of, or anything of the sort. All I know is that we must hear from Ken before we contribute anything. I will likely get the data on my own through watching my sets rather than take it from a zip file...or download contributed profiles, and then tailor to my custom needs (yes, not uploading).
I personally don't see why people are uploading anything at all, considering there is no official word yet. In addition, you shouldn't be uploading individual discs, as no word has been given if child profiles for TV sets are allowed. These are issues we're waiting to hear from Ken on.
I know in my personal database, I don't use individual discs - I have one profile for each TV set. If it's decided that we will be using child profiles, I'll probably just lock my sets up and keep them private - I'd rather have everything categorized by set, and then by episode. | | | "I am Andrew Ryan and I am here to ask you a question:
Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow?
No, says the man in Washington. It belongs to the poor.
No, says the man in the Vatican. It belongs to God.
No, says the man in Moscow. It belongs to everyone.
I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something
different. I chose the impossible. I chose…
Rapture." |
| | Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 280 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting chibul: Quote:
Quoting Kinematics:
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How about instead of trying to treat it as 'main' cast vs 'other', and whether they're credited in the opening or ending (most of the stuff I enter has no opening cast credits anyway), just consider it as a grouping for redundant entries. For a given disc entry, if person A is credited in some manner for a particular role for every single episode on the disc(s), put them at the top to reduce redundancy.
Because almost everyone would like them grouped by episode, not by disc. Umm.. huh? That's what I'm talking about.. I think it was already assumed that cast is going to be broken down by episode. The question was whether a subset of the cast (main, recurring, whatever you want to call it) that appears or is credited in every episode should be entered in a single block at the top of the cast listing. I mentioned disc/disc entry as a means of specifying a particular entry in DVDProfiler. It's not being grouped by disc except insofar as a particular listing of episodes is being entered in a single database disc entry. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | But again...child profiles for TV sets is not something that has been approved. | | | "I am Andrew Ryan and I am here to ask you a question:
Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow?
No, says the man in Washington. It belongs to the poor.
No, says the man in the Vatican. It belongs to God.
No, says the man in Moscow. It belongs to everyone.
I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something
different. I chose the impossible. I chose…
Rapture." |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 940 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting chibul: Quote:
..../snip/
I personally don't see why people are uploading anything at all, considering there is no official word yet. In addition, you shouldn't be uploading individual discs, as no word has been given if child profiles for TV sets are allowed. These are issues we're waiting to hear from Ken on.... No, Ross, I am not contributing, I uploaded to my online. If you look at my online, you can see 24 Season One with both cast and crew by episode. Under Disc One for that season, the cast is divided up by method #1 that is proposed here. Disc Two has the cast sorted by episode only, the same as the main profile. I tried separating the main crew, but I did not like the looks of that, so I have not uploaded anything like that. As far as TomGaines, several of us have been sending him TV cast and crew data, that can be used with his Cinematic Collection Viewer. You can see what sets have been contributed here. He is also made the Cast and Crew Editor, a tool that I have been using when editing profiles for a while now. Hopefully it won't take him too long to re-write it to accommodate the changes in V3. Kevin | | | | Kevin |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting antolod: Quote:
For accuracy in either of the above 2 examples, they should be listed only for the episodes their credit actually appears, except of course unless added as (uncredited). If we are going to try to be consistent and take the opening credit to indicate "main" cast, then each episode will have to be compared to make sure that the name appears in every episode for the season before adding them up top. I just want to make sure you understand what option one is. Note the first line of Skip's post says, "Most TV shows have a basic set of characters that appear in the, usually the Opening of the show," It doesn't say only in the opening of the show. Main cast, as we seem to be using it, has nothing to do with 'where' they are credited but how often they are credited. If a person is credited at the end of the show, but is credited in every show, they are main cast. By the same token, if a person is credited at the beginning of 5 episodes but no other episodes, he is not main cast. Did that make sense? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TigiHof: Quote:
Option 2 for me. "Main cast", "recurring cast" etc. - sorry, but voters for option 1 must be kidding.
Download Tom Gaines' new cast and crew lists and insert them into your profiles - it looks perfect. No need for any further complicated discussions. Why must we be kidding? I don't see the point of listing 'William Shatner as Kirk' 29 times for the first season of Star Trek. Especially for people that are using a single profile for the entire season. And, with all due respect to Tom, why should people have to download his program to do anything? It is great that he has written a program that you find useful...but we are talking about setting this up for everyone to deal with. Not just the ones who use Tom's add-on. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 940 |
| | Posted: | | | | I fully understand what you are saying Unicus. Perhaps I was not wording my thoughts accurately. Here is another example: In 24 season 1 disc 1, Carlos Bernard and Penny Johnson Jerald are credited in every episode, but not in the same order. So at the disc level, these 2 people should be at the top, but in which order? Episode one has Bernard first, but he's second in the next three. Please note that I am only using this disc as an example, neither of these people are in all 24 episodes of this season. But, I think this is a valid concern. I realize that it is a PITA to enter all of the cast for each episode. Actually for each and every person who can contribute, and follow written rules only without having to come to these forums to view a consensus, then the rule for method #1 will have to be something like: Quote:
"List each cast member as credited in credits order under the proper episode divider. For any cast member who is credited in all episodes as the same role for the entire season, enter that person's name and role as credited (in some kind of order) at the top of the list above the first episode divider and remove them from the individual episodes." IIRC there have been discussions in the past of a character's name being changed part way through a season, so the part about the same role might need some work or an exception. Some kind sort order will have to be determined, possibly "in credits order, starting with the first episode, with subsequent additions at the bottom of the list" or some such thing. This is what I think method #1 should look like, and since is will save space in the profiles, (115 less entries for 24S1 alone) then I guess it is not such a bad idea. At least until we get episode handling which will make this whole discussion moot. | | | | Kevin |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting antolod: Quote:
Quoting chibul:
Quote:
..../snip/
I personally don't see why people are uploading anything at all, considering there is no official word yet. In addition, you shouldn't be uploading individual discs, as no word has been given if child profiles for TV sets are allowed. These are issues we're waiting to hear from Ken on....
No, Ross, I am not contributing, I uploaded to my online. If you look at my online, you can see 24 Season One with both cast and crew by episode. Under Disc One for that season, the cast is divided up by method #1 that is proposed here. Disc Two has the cast sorted by episode only, the same as the main profile. I tried separating the main crew, but I did not like the looks of that, so I have not uploaded anything like that.
As far as TomGaines, several of us have been sending him TV cast and crew data, that can be used with his Cinematic Collection Viewer. You can see what sets have been contributed here. He is also made the Cast and Crew Editor, a tool that I have been using when editing profiles for a while now. Hopefully it won't take him too long to re-write it to accommodate the changes in V3.
Kevin Sorry, I misunderstood. For what it's worth, Disc 1 looks MUCH better. | | | "I am Andrew Ryan and I am here to ask you a question:
Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow?
No, says the man in Washington. It belongs to the poor.
No, says the man in the Vatican. It belongs to God.
No, says the man in Moscow. It belongs to everyone.
I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something
different. I chose the impossible. I chose…
Rapture." |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,432 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
2) This would be handled as I described earlier De Kelley would be included in EVERY episode he appeared in for the balance of the season, he would not appear in above the divider Cast. Huh...? I thought we said people get only grouped on top if they are in the opnening credits for the entire season? Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I just want to make sure you understand what option one is. Note the first line of Skip's post says, "Most TV shows have a basic set of characters that appear in the, usually the Opening of the show," It doesn't say only in the opening of the show.
Main cast, as we seem to be using it, has nothing to do with 'where' they are credited but how often they are credited. If a person is credited at the end of the show, but is credited in every show, they are main cast. By the same token, if a person is credited at the beginning of 5 episodes but no other episodes, he is not main cast. If that is the case (no clear definition what main Cast is, I definitely want to hear from Ken before proceeding with this. I thought we said opening credits only... | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Achim:
He said, correctly that De Kelley was not added initially to the opening credits, therefore he would not be credited above the divider for that season He could be added to every episode for the balance of the season since he is credited, perhaps that is where i confused you, sorry. I knew what i was thinking, just didn't communicate it well.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Once again to both Unicus and Achim, I have yet to have anyone say OK Skip you say Main Cast what did you have in mind. I think, perhaps I am wrong, but I think it would be rational instead of presuming to create your own definition, you might ask the author, he probably had something specific in mind. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Once again to both Unicus and Achim, I have yet to have anyone say OK Skip you say Main Cast what did you have in mind. I think, perhaps I am wrong, but I think it would be rational instead of presuming to create your own definition, you might ask the author, he probably had something specific in mind.
Skip If after 7 pages of discussion you haven't even said what you have in mind then I am really confused. Are you saying we have to ask you before you'll share your idea with us Not sure about anyone else but I don't have time to read everyones posts and decide if they are holding something back waiting for someone else to ask them what they really think  |
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