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Entering "additional" Crew jobs?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMakoDeth
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Are Crew credits like "additional Sound Editor", "additional photography", "additional music by" or "additional Make-up" to be contributed in DVD Profiler or should they stay local if entered?
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Local only.  The contribution rules specifically state this.
My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it!
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Local only. The contribution rules specifically state this.

Where? At least not in the "Credits" section.
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This is something i have always kept local but reading the rules i can't find anything that disallows it
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This is something i have always kept local but reading the rules i can't find anything that disallows it


I don't add them either and it's indeed in a grey area. It isn't disallowed but on the other hand it isn't specifically allowed either.
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Local only. The contribution rules specifically state this.

Where? At least not in the "Credits" section.

As I can see no "Additional" in the crew chart, so I would say this is the part of the rules:
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If someone is not credited with one of these roles (or direct translations of these roles), do not include them in the Crew section.


And so my vote goes also for "local only".
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It's disallowed here:

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For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Role" and "Credited As" columns. If someone is not credited with one of these roles (or direct translations of these roles), do not include them in the Crew section.

Roles with "additional" as part of the role are not listed in either the "Role" or "Credited As" columns. Neither are they "direct translations" of roles in the chart since they are "additional" to the primary crew roles in the chart. That makes them non-equivalent in my opinion.
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Additional or not, it's still a Sound Editor, isn't it?

What does he remove next? Sound Editors listed with "and"?

Because "and" is not in the crew chart?
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Additional or not, it's still a Sound Editor, isn't it?

What does he remove next? Sound Editors listed with "and"?

Because "and" is not in the crew chart?

Do you have an example of "and Sound Editor" as a film credit?

"additional Sound Editor" is not equivalent to "Sound Editor" just as "additional photography" does not elevate the role to equivalence with Director of Photography.
...James

"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan
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I agree with James, and all the other people that say it is not allowed.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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Agree with James and the Martian. AFAIK anything "additional" is out.
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What does he remove next? Sound Editors listed with "and"?
Because "and" is not in the crew chart?

Do you have an example of "and Sound Editor" as a film credit?

I do not even have an example where the names of two Sound Editors are listed with "and" between.
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"additional Sound Editor" is not equivalent to "Sound Editor"

Can you provide a job desciption for the profession of an "Additional Sound Editor"?
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just as "additional photography" does not elevate the role to equivalence with Director of Photography.

Cinematographer and Director of Photography are different Roles, within the same Role I do not care if it is

Director of Photography:
aaaaa
bbbbb

or

Directors of Photography: aaaaa, bbbbb

or

Director of Photography: aaaaa and bbbbb

or

Director of Photography: aaaaa
Additional Director of Photography: bbbbb

or no matter how they express that there was more than one Director of Photography, I would not remove him.

The same with Cast and Additional Cast: I do not remove "Additional" Cast either.
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Quoting bbbbb:
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Quoting m.cellophane:
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Quoting bbbbb:
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What does he remove next? Sound Editors listed with "and"?
Because "and" is not in the crew chart?

Do you have an example of "and Sound Editor" as a film credit?

I do not even have an example where the names of two Sound Editors are listed with "and" between.

Cool. I guess we don't need to worry about that then.

Quoting bbbbb:
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Quoting m.cellophane:
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"additional Sound Editor" is not equivalent to "Sound Editor"

Can you provide a job desciption for the profession of an "Additional Sound Editor"?

No, and that level of knowledge should not be required to add credits to the database. Contextually one can discern that they are not the same. Their actual job descriptions are irrelevant.

Quoting bbbbb:
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Quoting m.cellophane:
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just as "additional photography" does not elevate the role to equivalence with Director of Photography.

Cinematographer and Director of Photography are different Roles, within the same Role I do not care if it is

Director of Photography:
aaaaa
bbbbb

or

Directors of Photography: aaaaa, bbbbb

or

Director of Photography: aaaaa and bbbbb

or

Director of Photography: aaaaa
Additional Director of Photography: bbbbb

or no matter how they express that there was more than one Director of Photography, I would not remove him.

I would remove any "additional" crew member that's there and I would vote 'no' to add them.

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The same with Cast and Additional Cast: I do not remove "Additional" Cast either.

There are indeed different rules for cast.
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I agree with everything James said.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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Quoting m.cellophane:
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Quoting bbbbb:
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What does he remove next? Sound Editors listed with "and"?
Because "and" is not in the crew chart?

Do you have an example of "and Sound Editor" as a film credit?

I do not even have an example where the names of two Sound Editors are listed with "and" between.

Cool. I guess we don't need to worry about that then.

Quoting bbbbb:
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Quoting m.cellophane:
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"additional Sound Editor" is not equivalent to "Sound Editor"

Can you provide a job desciption for the profession of an "Additional Sound Editor"?

No, and that level of knowledge should not be required to add credits to the database. Contextually one can discern that they are not the same. Their actual job descriptions are irrelevant.

I do not know credits with two "Sound Editors: aaaaa and bbbbb" by heart.

You do not know a job description of an "Additional Sound Editor".

We are not perfect.

But may it be that there is no profession "Additional Sound Editor" at all?

So that it is just an additional "Sound Editor"? Like an "and" Sound Editor? Like Sound Editors separated by comma, or row?

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Quoting m.cellophane:
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just as "additional photography" does not elevate the role to equivalence with Director of Photography.

Cinematographer and Director of Photography are different Roles, within the same Role I do not care if it is

Director of Photography:
aaaaa
bbbbb

or

Directors of Photography: aaaaa, bbbbb

or

Director of Photography: aaaaa and bbbbb

or

Director of Photography: aaaaa
Additional Director of Photography: bbbbb

or no matter how they express that there was more than one Director of Photography, I would not remove him.

I would remove any "additional" crew member that's there and I would vote 'no' to add them.

That's not covered by The Rules.

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Quoting bbbbb:
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The same with Cast and Additional Cast: I do not remove "Additional" Cast either.

There are indeed different rules for cast.

No, quite the contrary. Additional "Cast" is allowed, Additional "Crew" is not disallowed.
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But may it be that there is no profession "Additional Sound Editor" at all?

You should address that to MakoDeath since he asked how to handle such a credit.

Quoting bbbbb:
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I would remove any "additional" crew member that's there and I would vote 'no' to add them.

That's not covered by The Rules.

Sure it is. "Additional Sound Editor" is not in the crew chart. It's not a direct translation of "Sound Editor". The rules deal with this issue.

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No, quite the contrary. Additional "Cast" is allowed, Additional "Crew" is not disallowed.

Casting Director is not specifically disallowed by the rules chart either, but it cannot be added since it is neither listed in the rules chart nor is it a direct translation of any role that's in the rules chart. Very few roles are specifically disallowed.
...James

"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan
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