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I would have said that Movies that are not specially made digitally in one way or another would not look as good as movies that were made specifically for matte/digital backgrounds such as the case between S.A.  and Harry Potter ..
or ... Not  ..

I wandered into a Sony store a couple years back and saw a Sony 52" Optimum TV (screen display) with the Blue ray DVD  movie Casino Royal ( Daniel Craig) playing the Casino card table scene and I was sure it was a Video Game (of the same movie)  I was looking at.. the images seemed 3D and lifeless...
I studied it and then made up my mind that it was too clean and therefore not realistic looking to the point of what Movies should be and that would be not the Plastic looking characters that this 'fake' 1080p digital imagery appeared to me at that moment ..

Now ''Sci-Fi space action" can also look the same as described , but that image to mind would have to be fake as compared to the Casino scene that is a daily occurance and you have that image already conjured up in your mind on what it should look like .....

kinda like when digital CD's first hit the market back in the mid 80's a lot of people didn't like the 'metallic' sound over the warm vinyl (analog) sound ...
JMO  ...
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Quoting widescreenforever:
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I wandered into a Sony store a couple years back and saw a Sony 52" Optimum TV (screen display) with the Blue ray DVD  movie Casino Royal ( Daniel Craig) playing the Casino card table scene and I was sure it was a Video Game (of the same movie)  I was looking at.. the images seemed 3D and lifeless...
I studied it and then made up my mind that it was too clean and therefore not realistic looking to the point of what Movies should be and that would be not the Plastic looking characters that this 'fake' 1080p digital imagery appeared to me at that moment ..
My reaction to Blu-ray and scenes such as you describe was quite the opposite. To me, Blu-ray looked more vivid and realistic than my older DVD's. I'll take an example of a movie I own on both DVD and Blu-ray: The Matrix

A simple, non-SFX scene where Neo is talking with Morpheus in the real world:
- Blu-ray: I see imperfections in the skin, I see the little stitches on the clothes, little beads of sweat forming on the forehead, etc. Basically, I see every little nitty-gritty detail
- DVD: Only the main skin traits are visible (compared to every single wrinkle on Blu-ray), giving faces more of a waxy look on DVD than Blu-ray, black colors are less resolved (some details get lost in the shadows), only superficial details on the clothing

Before the advent of Blu-ray I didn't notice it, because DVD was the best possible home viewing experience at the time (aside from some LaserDiscs perhaps), but now that I can compare DVD to Blu-ray, the image looks very flat, with waxy faces and limited detail. All in all, I feel Blu-ray takes me closer to the theatrical experience than DVD and puts me into the movie setting more than DVD did before it. Moreover, unless excessive DNR and edge enhancement has been applied, Blu-ray preserves the film grain much better than DVD, giving that extra theatrical feel to it.
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Thanks for the sites and I will be sure to check them out. Since I only have three Blu-Ray discs to date and that they are more expensive than DVD, I will be sure to check the comparisons before making a purchase either way. I will still buy DVD over Blu-ray if the quality is going to be the same.

I did not get a calibration disc with my player. Is this something that can be downloaded. I like to see if I can get even better detail out of this beast.

Now tonight no Blu-Ray to watch. Playing with the online features of the player. I like these features alot. Streaming Netflix, music, youtube etc... This player is very cool. 

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Hi Bill,

You're quite right that a lot depends on the transfer to Blu-ray and on the encoding. If you're looking for reviews of Blu-ray discs (and sometimes comparisons with DVD releases), here's a couple of sites:
DVD-Basen
DVDCompare.net
DVDBeaver.

If you want to get the most out of your system, a calibration might be a good idea. The Spears & Munsil calibration disc is a good tool (I got one for free with my Oppo blu-ray player  ).

EDIT: the quality of earlier DVD releases is also important when considering the difference a new Blu-ray release would make. This is the biggest difference between DVD and Blu-ray I have seen thus far in my collection.

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I don't get the argument Blu-rays looks too good. A few have undergone digital noise reductions, which removes detail, but less than scaling down to DVD resolutions does. To me, this is like saying CDs sound too clean and unrealistic and you'd rather listen to 64 Kb/sec MP3s. Every criticism of Blu-rays along these lines applies triple to DVDs, which are typically the exact same transfer, just scaled down to 1/5 or 1/6 the resolution and with a lossy version of the audio. Can anyone seriously look at this and claim any of the DVDs are a more accurate representation of the film than the Blu-ray?
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@ Bill:
I'm not aware of downloadable versions of calibration discs, sorry. Which does not mean they cannot be found somewhere...
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I'm not aware of downloadable calibration discs, either. But the next best thing is:

a) some Disney Blu-rays have in the extra features some basic but helpful calibration settings. I think I have it on Wall-E and Toy Story Blu-rays, among others

b) on the internet there are downloadable .jpg files. These help you to calibrate contrast, brightness, warmth etc. Basically, they are sets of still images that tell you what you should be seeing and you just calibrate untill you see exactly what they describe. If I still have such a set (downloaded it in a .rar, with 10 images for various settings, the last one being an image that gives a total view), I'll upload it for you. Otherwise you can check AVS forum or blu-ray.com forums. Users post such packs from time to time. Of course, your Blu-ray player must be able to display still images, but that shouldn't be a problem.

note: maybe this link can help:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=781394
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Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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I don't get the argument Blu-rays looks too good. A few have undergone digital noise reductions, which removes detail, but less than scaling down to DVD resolutions does. To me, this is like saying CDs sound too clean and unrealistic and you'd rather listen to 64 Kb/sec MP3s. Every criticism of Blu-rays along these lines applies triple to DVDs, which are typically the exact same transfer, just scaled down to 1/5 or 1/6 the resolution and with a lossy version of the audio. Can anyone seriously look at this and claim any of the DVDs are a more accurate representation of the film than the Blu-ray?



A agree - even older titles like the stunning Black Narcissus benefit tremendously from the greater resolution, detail and more accurate colors of blu-ray:

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdreview2/blacknarcissus.htm
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I just watched The Town on Blu-Ray. LOVED IT. Again the picture quality blew me away. Almost too real like as you could see every blemish, pore etc in the actors and the street shots of Boston were breath taking. BTW if anyone knows the city it was not all filmed in Charlestown as the movie portrays and anyone who has driven in Boston knows a chase  of that magnitude at 80 miles per hour on the narrow streets with the normal bumper to bumper traffic is impossible. But that is a different topic of discussion. TARO: if you have those jpg's for calibration I would love to tweak this to the best picture possible.
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Luckily, I still had the ones I used for calibration. This rar contains the test slates as well as a link to a website with explanations on how to use each one. For example, the first one is simply to test if your TV or projector doesn't use overscan.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8ZZYQROL
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Downloading now. Thank you Taro. Will not be able to do anything with them until next weekend as my Mother in Law passed away this weekend. I'll let you know how it goes.

Thanks
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Downloading now. Thank you Taro. Will not be able to do anything with them until next weekend as my Mother in Law passed away this weekend. I'll let you know how it goes.

Thanks
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Likewise!
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My sincerest condolences, Bill. We've lost family members too in the past so I know it's a difficult time. Just take your time with the calibration and feel free to ask if you have questions.
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Thank you to all for the kind words. My wife's mother was truly a saint and all who had her in their lives are blessed for having known her. We got home yesterday evening and I fiddled with the HD slates for a minute. This is something that is going to take some time to get right. I will ask for help I am sure.

Thank you again for the kind sentiments.

Bill & Esther
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