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| Registered: April 4, 2008 |  Posts: 76 |
| | Posted: | | | | Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the integrity of the DVDP database becomes compromised with the approval and inclusion of profiles submissions that have been created from pirated 'bootleg' copies of official DVD & BRD releases.
I just went to create a profile of an official Australian release of a DVD TV series box set and found the following profile contribution online which was submitted and approved based on false information.
The profile is for "Miss Fisher's Murder mysteries Complete season One", no UPC/EAN, but disc id IE9A76C6507C02157.2] The contribution was made on July, 14 2012 and included the following statement in the comments section of the submission "Cast and Crew credits from end credits on disk and add cover.. This is a pre release version episode 1 of 13". This is a blatantly false statement. This is actually based on a fake 'bootleg' copy found commonly in the markets throught SE Asia, in this case Thailand. Would highly recommend the removal of this profile & other contributions from this user, so that I may contribute an 'honest' profile to replace it.
This is actiu | | | Veni, Vidi, Visa, Vista, Voodoo, Vino
I came, I saw, I bought, I installed Vista, I'm now haunted, I need wine
Apologies to Julius Caesar in 47 BC who said "Veni, Vidi, Vici" - "I came, I saw, I conquered." |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,198 |
| | Posted: | | | | If you submit your data, based on that disc ID, and explain the situation in the notes, it should overwrite that profile with the correct one. I don't believe it has to be removed first.
The other option is to open a support ticket and explain the situation there. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,310 |
| | Posted: | | | | I also noted this Fake disc id as I am doing Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries Complete Season One for the BD release.
It is very disappointing to see this sort of thing. If you want your Pirate copy, don't submit it to the database, keep it local. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
If you submit your data, based on that disc ID, and explain the situation in the notes, it should overwrite that profile with the correct one. I don't believe it has to be removed first.
The other option is to open a support ticket and explain the situation there. also INvelos should keep aware of such contributions and a maintain a list of such contributors. It is hard enough create accurate contributions as it is without pirated DVDs infiltrating the online db. Only Invelos can do something about this when it brought to their attention!!!!! | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
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| | Registered: April 4, 2008 | | Posts: 76 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rutan: Quote:
I also noted this Fake disc id as I am doing Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries Complete Season One for the BD release.
It is very disappointing to see this sort of thing. If you want your Pirate copy, don't submit it to the database, keep it local. I have just submitted 2 DVD profiles (Series One, Part One, and Series One, Part Two) based on the official legitimate releases. I'll submit a more comprehesive update later unless someone else beats me to it  | | | Veni, Vidi, Visa, Vista, Voodoo, Vino
I came, I saw, I bought, I installed Vista, I'm now haunted, I need wine
Apologies to Julius Caesar in 47 BC who said "Veni, Vidi, Vici" - "I came, I saw, I conquered." |
| | Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,877 |
| | Posted: | | | | We also have the following profiles for bootleg copies of Battle Royale
- 796851000121
- 8809105461219
The other USA locality Battle Royale profiles are the official releases. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield |
| | Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Pirated copies should only be used for cast and crew, rating, ratio and maybe runtime if in native format. Things they should never be used for:
Disc ID
Cover scans
Studios (I guess movie credits are ok, but not media companies!)
Release date, case type, SRP, regions, audio and subtitle info, features
I have no issue with someone getting a cast list from a dub, I've done it a few times myself. I don't condone or support piracy, just some discs I missed out on and traded dubs with others for watching purposes only. I can't afford all the OOP stuff on real discs, so dubs work in those cases for me. I rarely contribute anything from dubs at all, but some profiles have been so far off I just had to help them. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote:
Pirated copies should only be used for cast and crew, rating, ratio and maybe runtime if in native format. Things they should never be used for:
Disc ID
Cover scans
Studios (I guess movie credits are ok, but not media companies!)
Release date, case type, SRP, regions, audio and subtitle info, features
I have no issue with someone getting a cast list from a dub, I've done it a few times myself. I don't condone or support piracy, just some discs I missed out on and traded dubs with others for watching purposes only. I can't afford all the OOP stuff on real discs, so dubs work in those cases for me. I rarely contribute anything from dubs at all, but some profiles have been so far off I just had to help them. I am not sure if I understand your post. Are you saying that it's ok to contribute bootlegs as long as Disc IDs and cover scans are not used? Sorry but I am really not sure what you are saying. Edit: I think I get it now. You are saying that it's ok for you to use the credits from a bootleg to get the cast and crew, right? | | | | Last edited: by TheDarkKnight |
| | Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheDarkKnight: Quote:
Quoting bigdaddyhorse:
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Pirated copies should only be used for cast and crew, rating, ratio and maybe runtime if in native format. Things they should never be used for:
Disc ID
Cover scans
Studios (I guess movie credits are ok, but not media companies!)
Release date, case type, SRP, regions, audio and subtitle info, features
I have no issue with someone getting a cast list from a dub, I've done it a few times myself. I don't condone or support piracy, just some discs I missed out on and traded dubs with others for watching purposes only. I can't afford all the OOP stuff on real discs, so dubs work in those cases for me. I rarely contribute anything from dubs at all, but some profiles have been so far off I just had to help them.
I am not sure if I understand your post. Are you saying that it's ok to contribute bootlegs as long as Disc IDs and cover scans are not used? Sorry but I am really not sure what you are saying.
Edit: I think I get it now. You are saying that it's ok for you to use the credits from a bootleg to get the cast and crew, right? Yeah, just saying it's ok to get certain parts of a profile, like cast and crew which usually don't change from print to print or region to region. Any technical info besides ratio should never be taken from a boot... although I guess if the boot is really a dub, you could correct audio tracks and features for what it's a dub of. Other than that they don't belong at all. |
| | Registered: May 30, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 258 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sorry for bumping this ancient thread, but I also did notice some profiles that do appear to be bootlegs. When checking for any info regarding the Blu-ray release of True Lies, I did found a copy via amazon.es. By looking at the covers (back and front) it already raises some red flags (for example; no mentioning of the movie company name on the cover and that "Full HD 1080P" logo, which also is quite out of place as the case already does mention this is a Blu-ray disc), but still, this could, of course, be normal for Spanish distributions. I did notice that this disc also was added to the DVDP DB, with EAN#8435479605487. And the Media Company is called "Resen". Upon searching for more "evidence" if this could in fact be a bootleg, I stumbled upon the thread "Bootleg" Releases -Spain at the blu-ray.com forum. This thread also did show Resen and Llamentol releases as bootlegs. And the Braindead (8436022327122) and Bad Taste (8436558196414) blu-rays releases are from one of these 'companies'. Both of which also are added to the DVDP DB. Now I feel a bit of a dilemma, the forum also indicates that these releases, although in the rest of the world completely illegal, in fact, are condoned within Spain regulations. Correct me please if I am wrong. The rules are perfectly clear about bootlegs, we don't allow them. But given the fact that these Spanish releases are a bit of a grey area (with the Spanish law in mind and all), do we still let these releases slip through, or do we also have to be strong and remove these releases? As a matter of fact, it is quite hard sometimes to consider whether some release is a bootleg or perfectly legal. Hell, these above examples even are for sale at amazon.es. Any of you have some thoughts about this matter? | | | DVD Profiler for iOS since: January 9, 2011 (no longer using)
DVD Profiler for Android since: June 6, 2013 | | | | Last edited: by Hotm@iler |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,847 |
| | Posted: | | | | If it's not licensed from the rights holder it's a bootleg (unless it's public domain.) It doesn't matter whether the country it's manufactured/distributed in chooses to condone such piracy or not, IMO.
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| | Registered: May 30, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 258 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
If it's not licensed from the rights holder it's a bootleg (unless it's public domain.) It doesn't matter whether the country it's manufactured/distributed in chooses to condone such piracy or not, IMO.
--------------- Thanks! I do agree as well. But how do we know for sure if the release is official or not? In this case, it is quite evident that these are not officially released, but how can we verify this for other (future) releases as well? Also, another distribution company comes to mind "Falcon Neue Medien", which also did release quite a lot of music DVDs, most of them were not properly licensed, and they even got sued by several artists and music companies, for selling these releases, thus the releases were rendered illegal. But in the beginning, these discs were available in all music/DVD stores in The Netherlands, Germany, and many other countries. So, it will be quite a challenge to differentiate these types of releases. And these are only a small hand full, I think there are many other examples, whether or not they are or should (not) be in the DB, that is the question. Edit: I did find some lists on blu-ray.com that can come in handy: Resen releasesLlamentol releasesAnd the Pirate Companies and Distribution list also is quite an extensive list of pirate 'companies' we need to beware of. | | | DVD Profiler for iOS since: January 9, 2011 (no longer using)
DVD Profiler for Android since: June 6, 2013 | | | | Last edited: by Hotm@iler |
| | Registered: June 20, 2007 |  Posts: 85 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Hotm@iler: Quote:
(for example; no mentioning of the movie company name on the cover and that "Full HD 1080P" logo, which also is quite out of place as the case already does mention this is a Blu-ray disc), but still, this could, of course, be normal for Spanish distributions. Just in case, but those FHD Logos on the Front are still on some newer releases, even if those mostly (if they appear as a logo) put on the backcover under the other technical specs of the release. And just because it is a Blu Ray it does not mean that the Movie/Series is on the disc with FHD, as there are also releases out there which only put sd content on it....at least here i saw a few Series which are marketed on the cover with SD on Blu Ray |
| | Registered: May 30, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 258 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Wolfpig: Quote:
Quoting Hotm@iler:
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(for example; no mentioning of the movie company name on the cover and that "Full HD 1080P" logo, which also is quite out of place as the case already does mention this is a Blu-ray disc), but still, this could, of course, be normal for Spanish distributions.
Just in case, but those FHD Logos on the Front are still on some newer releases, even if those mostly (if they appear as a logo) put on the backcover under the other technical specs of the release.
And just because it is a Blu Ray it does not mean that the Movie/Series is on the disc with FHD, as there are also releases out there which only put sd content on it....at least here i saw a few Series which are marketed on the cover with SD on Blu Ray You are absolutely right. In fact, this day I even found the same FHD logo on a Columbia Pictures blu-ray of Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. Albeit this release being approx. 13 years old and at that time this was pretty common. And yes, I also did find those SD on Blu-ray releases of some older series. But still, it could be sometimes quite hard to see the difference between a genuine or a fake (counterfeit/bootleg) DVD/BD disc. Bootleggers even do use some legit EAN/UPC numbers sometimes and selling them on Amazon, of all places. | | | DVD Profiler for iOS since: January 9, 2011 (no longer using)
DVD Profiler for Android since: June 6, 2013 |
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