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Nude Nuns with Big Guns
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorScooter1836
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Put the title to whatever you want

I really don't care, all you are out to do is create arguments where there shouldn't be any.

You don't care about anyone elses opinion, you are not interested in healthy dabate, you just want to troll.  Your last post just proves that.

I would say we just need to "agree to disagree" about what rules could be applied, but that is not in your mind set.  You would rather just fuel the fire rather than be constructive
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Instead of contributing to this endless debate I decided to spend my time on more constructive endeavors. So far I've updated 25 profiles which needed 100s of corrections.

Imagine how much better the database would be if every person stopped this discussion and put their time into contributing and fixing other profiles.
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Instead of contributing to this endless debate I decided to spend my time on more constructive endeavors. So far I've updated 25 profiles which needed 100s of corrections.

Imagine how much better the database would be if every person stopped this discussion and put their time into contributing and fixing other profiles.


Well said and very true
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantMark Harrison
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Instead of contributing to this endless debate I decided to spend my time on more constructive endeavors. So far I've updated 25 profiles which needed 100s of corrections.

Imagine how much better the database would be if every person stopped this discussion and put their time into contributing and fixing other profiles.


Thanks!
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantTheDarkKnight
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Common sense does nothing here. A look at the credit block or the rest of the cover or ever the film credits will tell you what the title is.

We are not "allowed" to look at credit block or film credits if there are no symbols, which is the case here (as in "Nude Nun...").
"Use the title from the front cover"
"For titles which include periods, dashes, or other symbols, ..." cannot be applied in any of examples shown on this page.

On my last examples, I see no symbols, and I do not hesitate since my "common sense" tells me what is the title.

On Addicted2DVD example, I still see no symbol, and the use of colors may lead to "Jump 21 Street". Since there is no s in Street, I could open a poll to know which is the "cover title", but my common sense will suggest "21 Jump Street", which matches with rules.

About "Nude Nun..." I still do not see any symbol, and the only solution is to choose where to put the S. If rules authorized to use common sense, I would immediately add a second s, but this is not allowed.


I guess we have this narrowed down now. Surfeurs understanding of "symbol" is the problem here. A symbol is a character that is not a standard character on the keyboard thus it has to be converted to a standard character to be typed into the title field. All your samples work perfectly with the rules.
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Edit:  I really need to start reading to the end before responding as this is my third edit. 

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The rules are to help us get the best data possible.  They only exist because we want better data.

I honestly think you have this wrong.  As I understand it, the rules are there to help standardize the main database...no more, no less.  There are plenty of rules I do not like...cast in end credit order, for example...because they make the data useless for my purposes but, because it is Ken's program and I can change the data locally, I no longer worry about it and contribute based on my understanding of the rules.


Are you serious?

Even if they are there ONLY to help standardize the main database, wouldn't that lead to better data?

When I say "better data", keep in mind I don't necessarily mean "better data" for TheMadMartian.  I mean "better data" for the whole.  We all know there are some rules that we don't like and that may give us what we consider bad data, but just because I don't like it doesn't mean the community at large doesn't like it.

So I guess they provide consistency more than anything else.  But that is also better data.

Yeah, you lost me on this one.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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We are not "allowed" to look at credit block or film credits if there are no symbols,

Please be so kind as to show me the rule that says I am not allowed to look, say, at the spine to determine how to interpret the text/artwork that is on the front of the case.  I have looked, and can't find it.
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Are you serious?

Dead serious.  Skip has stated, many times, that that was the reason for the rules...it is even eluded to in the rules, "The main database is standardized so that all profiles follow these rules."
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Even if they are there ONLY to help standardize the main database, wouldn't that lead to better data?

When I say "better data", keep in mind I don't necessarily mean "better data" for TheMadMartian.  I mean "better data" for the whole.  We all know there are some rules that we don't like and that may give us what we consider bad data, but just because I don't like it doesn't mean the community at large doesn't like it.

I understand what you mean, but how do you define what is better for the whole?  Who gets to decide?  How do they decide?
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So I guess they provide consistency more than anything else.  But that is also better data.

That depends on your point of view.  The rules, at least the way I read them, give us T4Xi.  If everyone does it the same way, it provides consistency but, if I understand you correctly, it does not provide better data.
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Yeah, you lost me on this one.

That might be because you think I agree with the rule...I actually don't.  The fact that I understand it, and can explain why I think it is the way it is, doesn't mean I agree with it.  As I said, I simply don't worry about it anymore.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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Please be so kind as to show me the rule that says I am not allowed to look, say, at the spine to determine how to interpret the text/artwork ...

Really, I don't need to look at the spine to know that the title of the movie is "Nude Nuns with Big Guns"  . See how I wrote the title of this thread.

What I meant is that rules ask to take DVD title from the front cover, and to take it from elsewhere only if there are symbols , which is not the case here.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Really, I don't need to look at the spine to know that the title of the movie is "Nude Nuns with Big Guns"  . See how I wrote the title of this thread.

Then why start this thread?  If you already knew what the title was, what was the point?
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What I meant is that rules ask to take DVD title from the front cover, and to take it from elsewhere only if there are symbols , which is not the case here.

No, the rules do not say that...they tell us to look elsewhere to determine whether or not to enter the symbol as is or convert it to a standard symbol.  They do not, however, tell us we can't look at the spine to help decipher what is on the front of that case.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorScooter1836
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Please be so kind as to show me the rule that says I am not allowed to look, say, at the spine to determine how to interpret the text/artwork ...

Really, I don't need to look at the spine to know that the title of the movie is "Nude Nuns with Big Guns"  . See how I wrote the title of this thread.

What I meant is that rules ask to take DVD title from the front cover, and to take it from elsewhere only if there are symbols , which is not the case here.


Why is it you keep asking what you should do?

You refuse to listen to anyone and look at other viewpoints....Do you really get that big of a kick out of trolling on and on about the rules.

Any point you were trying to validly make was lost pages ago.  Now you are just trying to prove that you can take an absolute literal point about one rule and whine about it.
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Please be so kind as to show me the rule that says I am not allowed to look, say, at the spine to determine how to interpret the text/artwork ...

Really, I don't need to look at the spine to know that the title of the movie is "Nude Nuns with Big Guns"  . See how I wrote the title of this thread.

What I meant is that rules ask to take DVD title from the front cover, and to take it from elsewhere only if there are symbols , which is not the case here.


Yes there is a symbol on that cover. An oversize "S" symbolizing 2 standard character "s".
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Really, I don't need to look at the spine to know that the title of the movie is "Nude Nuns with Big Guns"  . See how I wrote the title of this thread.

I need to add that I don't need to look at the spine either, but I do use the spine to verify my opinion in case someone tries to claim it is something else...as was the case here.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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You refuse to listen to anyone and look at other viewpoints...

Yes, I refuse to consider a S as a symbol.
And you, do you listen to people who say that a S is a letter, and do you consider their viewpoint ?

We clearly disagree because you refuse to admit that you are bending the rules to obtain the correct result. But really, when Ken wrote "include periods, dashes, or other symbols,.. " do you think he had in mind that big letters are symbols as periods and dashes ? Then he gives examples how to convert symbols :"convert the symbol to a standard character such as ".", "-", or "*"  : There is no "S" nor any letter or number in his examples...

Now, as other users here, I think everything has been said at least several times. If users want to keep strict rules and bend them each time they decide to do so, and if Ken is happy with this situation, it will not change my life... I think there are much better solutions for everybody, and if Ken has read this topic, he has enough to decide what to keep and what to change.

End of this thread for my part.
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You refuse to listen to anyone and look at other viewpoints...

Yes, I refuse to consider a S as a symbol.
And you, do you listen to people who say that a S is a letter, and do you consider their viewpoint ?

We clearly disagree because you refuse to admit that you are bending the rules to obtain the correct result. But really, when Ken wrote "include periods, dashes, or other symbols,.. " do you think he had in mind that big letters are symbols as periods and dashes ? Then he gives examples how to convert symbols :"convert the symbol to a standard character such as ".", "-", or "*"  : There is no "S" nor any letter or number in his examples...


Yes I do look at other peoples view points, just most of the other viewpoeints in this thread end up with the same result as I have.

I think if you look at my history on this forum you will see many times I will disagree, but be swayed to a different direction and in the end go with the majority and support it if  that is the will of the community....you on the other hand I cannot say that about  , at least form my experience since I have been here.

Also the use of "other" and "such as" are not all inclusive and nor did he intend that to be.  I personally think we can fall back on that rule in general since the artistic rendition of the title cannot be pkaced in a text field.

But again,you are just trying to prove that you can take an absolute literal point about one rule and whine about it.  Trolling for reactions.

And shame on me for feeding the troll.

Like I said in a previous post.  This thread is not about you asking for direction and opinions on what and why that direction should be.  You are just trying difficult makeing an issue out of a non-issue to try and make a point about strict interpretation of the rules.  Rules which we all know you don't like.
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The S is shared between the words.  Neither "Nude nun with big guns", "Nude nuns with big gun", nor "Nude nuns with big guns" is exactly what's shown on the cover, although I would say that given no other information, each of these is as valid an interpretation as the others.

Since there's no way to enter a 'shared' letter into a text field, we must pick one of the three.  In this case, the spine, title screens, and credit block all agree - 'Nude Nuns with Big Guns'
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