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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
@Grendell
 I completely agree, he seems to have described himself perfectly...though I don't think it adds anything to the discussion but, that is par for the course. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
he seems to have described himself perfectly...  | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm not sure why thinking this situation is all that different than the James Bond situation that Gerri commented on. I can certainly see that some think it is more than just a logo, but I think it is a similar situation. I've always voted as to how I interpret the rules, not on my personal feelings on how the rules should be. It's a situation that could receive input from Invelos, but once again it is ignored and winds up being just another disagreement which ends in name calling. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | If you read that post, Gerri statement covers only 007 - it does not state that this clarification covers any other symbols or titles.
Since broad application of that single clarification would be in direct conflict with other rules/clarifications, it should not be done. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
If you read that post, Gerri statement covers only 007 - it does not state that this clarification covers any other symbols or titles.
Since broad application of that single clarification would be in direct conflict with other rules/clarifications, it should not be done. Quoting Gerri Cole: Quote:
007 should not be included as part of the title of James Bond films. This has been something that people have long tried to get into the database, even from the early days. The Italian contributions that changed this should not have been accepted. It is possible that Ken feels otherwise, but from my work throughout the years, 007 has never been appropriate for the James Bond films.
It is just a symbol on the cover of the DVD/BluRay, it is not part of the title, IMO.
-Gerri She did not implicitly state that it is only for James Bond films. Nowhere does she mention that this shouldn't be applicable in other similar situations. I'm not sure why in situations that Ken or Gerri could make a quick post and clear it up on how we should proceed. I like you, don't contribute these types, I just keep them in my local as I see fit. I do vote however if someone else contributes them, and I vote on my perception of the rule. If Invelos states it should be one way, that's how'd I vote going forward. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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he seems to have described himself perfectly...
This would be funny if it weren't so sad. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
If you read that post, Gerri statement covers only 007 - it does not state that this clarification covers any other symbols or titles. Nor does it state that it covers only that symbol and those titles. It is not, in my opinion, a huge stretch to believe this would apply to any cover that includes both a symbol and a title. Quote:
Since broad application of that single clarification would be in direct conflict with other rules/clarifications, it should not be done. Which rules/clarifications is it in direct conflict with? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote:
Quoting Kathy:
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If you read that post, Gerri statement covers only 007 - it does not state that this clarification covers any other symbols or titles.
Since broad application of that single clarification would be in direct conflict with other rules/clarifications, it should not be done.
Quoting Gerri Cole:
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007 should not be included as part of the title of James Bond films. This has been something that people have long tried to get into the database, even from the early days. The Italian contributions that changed this should not have been accepted. It is possible that Ken feels otherwise, but from my work throughout the years, 007 has never been appropriate for the James Bond films.
It is just a symbol on the cover of the DVD/BluRay, it is not part of the title, IMO.
-Gerri
She did not implicitly state that it is only for James Bond films. Nowhere does she mention that this shouldn't be applicable in other similar situations.
I'm not sure why in situations that Ken or Gerri could make a quick post and clear it up on how we should proceed. I like you, don't contribute these types, I just keep them in my local as I see fit. I do vote however if someone else contributes them, and I vote on my perception of the rule. If Invelos states it should be one way, that's how'd I vote going forward. You have only highlighted a section of her statement - look at the very first sentence: "007 should not be included as part of the title of James Bond films." It is just a symbol on the cover of the DVD/BluRay, it is not part of the title, IMO.What is Gerri talking about? 007. Edit: I checked the voting on the contribution page and the community is divided on the MIB issue - 3 of 9 stating it is a symbol - the other 6 stating it is not. The issue is not clear and I am not going to spend any more time discussing an issue that will not be answered without invelos input. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well of course she is, but she did not say that it is ONLY applicable to James Bond and not anything else. I don't know why you wouldn't use it in a similar situation. I can see both sides, just wish they'd take the time to post and end this argument. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote:
I can see both sides, just wish they'd take the time to post and end this argument. Now that is something everyone can agree with!  | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote:
Well of course she is, but she did not say that it is ONLY applicable to James Bond and not anything else. I don't know why you wouldn't use it in a similar situation. I can see both sides, just wish they'd take the time to post and end this argument. I couldn't agree more...especially with the last sentence. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 823 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I completely agree, he seems to have described himself perfectly...though I don't think it adds anything to the discussion but, that is par for the course.  | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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| Registered: May 2, 2009 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 490 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is so tiresome.
Either:
MIB: Men in Black
MIIB: Men in Black II
MIB³: Men in Black 3
Or:
Men in Black
Men in Black II
Men in Black 3
To have any consistency, I'd vote for the latter. That is, all MIB variants are logos. Not just one or two of them. |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MikaLove: Quote:
This is so tiresome.
Either:
MIB: Men in Black
MIIB: Men in Black II
MIB³: Men in Black 3
Or:
Men in Black
Men in Black II
Men in Black 3
To have any consistency, I'd vote for the latter. That is, all MIB variants are logos. Not just one or two of them. I would agree that the latter is the best for now since the controversy exists. Unless we hear otherwise we should at least make them consistent |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,320 |
| | Posted: | | | | Problem is... we have on group that believes...
MIB: Men in Black
MIIB: Men in Black II
MIB³: Men in Black 3
...is correct per Rules. And another group that believes....
Men in Black
Men in Black II
Men in Black 3
...is correct per Rules. Neither side is willing to give on this since they do believe they are right per the rules. So without Ken coming and making a decision I do not see a consensus coming... so no consistency. | | | | Pete |
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