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Common name for Actor Isaach De Bankolé / Isaach De Bankole
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though Sabine Azéma is not

Then I would enter him without accent.

She is an actress. Your knowledge about movies doesn't seem much better than your French...

Some get it, some don't, at least I got Isaach right. They are not persons, only combination of letters, some with accents.
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The horse is dead, beating it won't help or get the result  you want.

Once again, the only thing I did was to provide the requested information for "Vanille fraise", then I wrote nothing...

Then came the attacks, and I had to reexplain my position for people who have not understood it.


It started with this post http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=724109&PageNum=1&messageID=2266395#M2266395

There was NO request for information. The only thing was a controversial post made by you that got a reaction.  But there were insults made by you as the thread progressed.

People understand your position, they just do not agree with it based on the current database rules.  A common name thread is not the place to change those rules.


Mitchg is correct this thread needs to get back on track.
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This is the common name thread for Isaach De Bankolé/Isaach De Bankole

Well, sorry to have posted the information about how this actor was credited in "Vanille fraise".
I thought this would help you, and I apologize for giving you this information. Concerning the rest of the discussion, you should see with those who attacked me.
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There was NO request for information.

So, those threads are not made to collect the information about how actors are credited ? And what is the purpose ?
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Some get it, some don't, at least I got Isaach right.
No, he is an actor, you were also wrong.
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There was NO request for information.

So, those threads are not made to collect the information about how actors are credited ? And what is the purpose ?


The purpose of this thread is to get the information on how Isaach De Bankolé/Isaach De Bankole is credited

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Once again, the only thing I did was to provide the requested information for "Vanille fraise", then I wrote nothing...


Thanks for sharing, but a controversial post about how credits cannot be trusted about a completely different name is the information that was requested? (http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=724109&PageNum=1&messageID=2266395#M2266395)

You were trying to get a reaction and you got it and then made what I (and probably others) would call and insulting post aimed at bbbbb http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=724109&PageNum=1&messageID=2267018#M2267018.  And followed it with others.

I am sorry you feel picked on.

Well you got your reactions, and you were able to beat that dead horse again.

I am done with this.

I just want to help find the common name to Isaach De Bankolé/Isaach De Bankole
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If there are credits with English (or German or Spanish) names spelled wrongly we also count them that way.

The problem is that those names are not spelled wrongly. SABINE AZEMA is perfectly correct.


No it is not as I already wrote when we were discussing this topic in another thread.

http://www.academie-francaise.fr/la-langue-francaise/questions-de-langue#5_strong-em-accentuation-des-majuscules-em-strong
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No it is not as I already wrote when we were discussing this topic in another thread.

http://www.academie-francaise.fr/la-langue-francaise/questions-de-langue#5_strong-em-accentuation-des-majuscules-em-strong

Sorry, you should read carefully what is written in this text:

"One can only regret that the use of accents on capital letters is floating. We observe in the manuscripts a tendency to omit accents. In typography, sometimes people remove all accents on capital letters under the pretext of modernism, in fact to reduce costs composition.
It should however be noted that, in French, accents have full orthographic value. Its absence slows the reading,  makes the pronunciation insure, and can even be misleading. It is the same for the umlaut and the cedilla." (translated and bolded by me)

So the Académie regrets that accents are often omitted on capital letters, and consider that things are more clear when they are not. By the way, I totally agree with that, but that does not mean that the omission of accents on capital letters is incorrect. And what is clear for everybody, is that when you transform capitals to small letters, correct spelling must be conserved for accents.
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In my opinion, "full orthographic value" means that they are as important for the language as anything else and therefore it is wrong to omit them. This interpretation is supported by comparison with the umlaut, that can also never be omitted.
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This is the common name thread for Isaach De Bankolé/Isaach De Bankole

Well, sorry to have posted the information about how this actor was credited in "Vanille fraise".
I thought this would help you, and I apologize for giving you this information. Concerning the rest of the discussion, you should see with those who attacked me.

Thank you for your contribution to this common name thread!
But the comment you gave to the other person without visible accent was NOT relevant to this thread.
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Some get it, some don't, at least I got Isaach right.

No, he is an actor, you were also wrong.

Like I said, some get it, some don't.
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I think this makes clear the Rules regarding whether to read accents into names or not.

And when switching between upper or lower case characters...

É becomes é
E becomes e
é becomes É
e becomes E

We don't interpret the information contained within the credits. We copy it exactly (or use standard capitalization). Otherwise we may as well read 'George Clooney' and enter it as 'Bill Oddie'.
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I think this makes clear the Rules regarding whether to read accents into names or not.

I never said they were not clear, I said they are stupid, and for two reasons.
1/ from a spelling point of view, they create mistakes that do not exist in credits.
2/ from a database point of view, they destroy linking function.

The advantage is only for lazy contributors who refuse to verify correct name with a Google search, but will spend much more time to find a common name when only one credit exist.

PS. No Google search returns "Bill Oldie" for "Georges Clooney"
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I think this makes clear the Rules regarding whether to read accents into names or not.

I never said they were not clear, I said they are stupid, and for two reasons.
1/ from a spelling point of view, they create mistakes that do not exist in credits.
2/ from a database point of view, they destroy linking function.

The advantage is only for lazy contributors who refuse to verify correct name with a Google search, but will spend much more time to find a common name when only one credit exist.

PS. No Google search returns "Bill Oldie" for "Georges Clooney"
       
Calling contributors "lazy" is offensive. These community members are doing exactly what the owner of the program has required they do. If you do not like a "stupid" rule, try and change it. If invelos` does not implement your request, deal with it. People spend a lot of time and effort contributing to this database, one thing they most certainly are NOT is "lazy".
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These community members are doing exactly what the owner of the program has required they do.

You perfectly know that the first clarification about this problem, coming from Gerry, was to respect foreign languages capitalization rules. This was followed by screams from some users who didn't want to have to deal with correctnesss when it is so easy to ignore the accents that are included inside capital letters. Ken, as usual, chose the most vocal users' solution and overruled Gerry, preferring lazyness to correctness. Most of the rules, and specially the most stupid ones, were dictated by a few users who just spoke louder than the others.
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These community members are doing exactly what the owner of the program has required they do.

You perfectly know that the first clarification about this problem, coming from Gerry, was to respect foreign languages capitalization rules. This was followed by screams from some users who didn't want to have to deal with correctnesss when it is so easy to ignore the accents that are included inside capital letters. Ken, as usual, chose the most vocal users' solution and overruled Gerry, preferring lazyness to correctness. Most of the rules, and specially the most stupid ones, were dictated by a few users who just spoke louder than the others.


But nothing about the offensive remark....

Just trolling for reactions again I see.

Your point has been made a thousand times, yet I never see a productive approach taken to solve the issue you have.

Again you don't like the way Ken has ruled, we get that.  We get that 1000 times.  Yet you fill the contribution forums and common name threads with this over and over again.  How has that been working for you? At this point you do not contribute this data, nor do you accept it from the DB.  So why hinder the productivity of those people in the contribution forums trying to accomplish what the rules and rulings have stated?

And it does not cause linking problems, linking is accomplished by everyone following the same rules governing the database.  So  your comment earlier about it causing database issues is false.  Your perception of the database issues is the linking is screwed up because the common name chose is not the one you prefer.

When I see a common name thread opened with a name that has accents, the first thing I think of is about how this is going to open up the same diatribe again and again.

These conversations usually start with you describing your view, people chime in with their own opinions, when those opinions vary from you then you drop an insult, people that do not agree with your opinion take offense at the insult and call you on it and then you blame everyone for attacking you.  Don't you get tired of the same cycle over and over?

You need to either accept the situation or go to the rules forum and try a productive approach to solve the problem. Since you are so passionate about the issue it is time to start acting productively or drop it.  A common name thread is not the place for it.
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