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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorSwissFilm
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I agree fully with AiAustria. And as the voiceactors are listed after the normal end credits they are credited, this should be normal. Uncredited is only if somebody is nowhere in the end credits and after Ken this separate listing after the official end credits does count as credited.

And for Ateo: The only thing was these X-Files where I had a bit a problem. All the rest I always did follow the rules and I have over 10'500 accepted contributions. It is rare that I have something wrong, so don't only speak about this X-Files debakel, this gives a wrong light to all. And as an US citizen I think you always look films in the original English edition, so voicecast is not important for you. But we in Germany, Austria and Switzerland like to know who is the German voice for a certain actor, I find this an important information, even more important than loop groups and such things. Ken did perfect recognize this, thanks.

Thanks,

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But we in Germany, Austria and Switzerland like to know who is the German voice for a certain actor, I find this an important information, even more important than loop groups and such things.


for me, it is not interested ...


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But we in Germany, Austria and Switzerland like to know who is the German voice for a certain actor, I find this an important information, even more important than loop groups and such things.


for me, it is not interested ...


No problem, there are many who even don't care who is playing the cast, they just look the film and even the cast does not matter for them. But real film lovers care about Cast and Voices in a film as I do.
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But we in Germany, Austria and Switzerland like to know who is the German voice for a certain actor, I find this an important information, even more important than loop groups and such things.


for me, it is not interested ...


No problem, there are many who even don't care who is playing the cast, they just look the film and even the cast does not matter for them. But real film lovers care about Cast and Voices in a film as I do.


my point exactly
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Ken's statement is absolutely nonsense, because a disc can also be austrian, german, netherlands and even british.

Sometimes a box can only be handled with disc-ID, and whatever is said here, I will always vote against it, because this is useless in so many ways.
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For voting, your personal opinion is completely negligible. There are rules and clarifications from Ken. In this case it is cleared what to contribute and what not.

If you are voting against correct contributions, you violate the voting rules...

I can understand, why there is a need to discuss such issues - you have your opiniion, I have mine, others have their own. But at a point, where there is a valid rule set - and Ken's word is final around here - there is no more room for moaning. Either you can move Ken to withdraw his statement, or you have follow it. Everything else is disgusting. It is as simple as this!
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Ken's statement is absolutely nonsense, because a disc can also be austrian, german, netherlands and even british.

Sometimes a box can only be handled with disc-ID, and whatever is said here, I will always vote against it, because this is useless in so many ways.

The same disc can and should be profiled in multiple countries/localities.

This disc in the German locality should have the German voicecast, per Ken.
The same disc in the French or British locality would not have the German voicecast added.
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Either you can move Ken to withdraw his statement, or you have follow it.

The very simple way not to follow a stupid rule is to stop contributing.  In the case of this thread, I'm not personnaly against Ken's position, but in many other cases, I consider that following rules is just a way to send wrong data to people who download profiles. And this, I really do not want to do it, as sabotaging others' databases is the worst action that we can do here...
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Ken's statement is absolutely nonsense, because a disc can also be austrian, german, netherlands and even british.

Sometimes a box can only be handled with disc-ID, and whatever is said here, I will always vote against it, because this is useless in so many ways.

The same disc can and should be profiled in multiple countries/localities.

This disc in the German locality should have the German voicecast, per Ken.
The same disc in the French or British locality would not have the German voicecast added.

This.
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And as the voiceactors are listed after the normal end credits they are credited, this should be normal. Uncredited is only if somebody is nowhere in the end credits

After the film. Nowhere in the end credits.

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But we in Germany, Austria and Switzerland like to know who is the German voice for a certain actor.

Definitely not me. And IF I would like to know the local distribution dubbers, there are enough sources. I would not examine the credits of the film.

Worst thing is you can't get rid of these trash entries, without locking the real cast.
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It was just my question for opening the discussion, because I had this conversation with SwissFilm, as I wrote in the first post.

And I thought the eccentric accent French guy was strange. At least his clamor was based on the actual film credits.

What a complete mess! First of all German dubbers in live action movies should not be included in "cast" at all. They are not even in the film credits. These contributiuons are against The Rules. But don't get marked as uncredited. Often the dividers are freely invented, because there are none. Then, like you verify real uncredited cast visually, you are allowed to verify this distribution technical "cast" aural, aren't you? For the same boring dubbers usually dub dozen of actors, so you unfortunately reckocknize their voice. And best yet Invelos, with its unwanted nationalism. Forbids French, or Italian, or Spanish dubbers, as an exception, from the German exception. Here in the heart of multicultural multilingual Europe, where we, well most, strive for freedom and equality. Then Invelos should forbid French, or Italian, or Spanish audio tracks and subtitles in Germany either, I guess. Heil.
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bbbbb: Please stop this nonsense. What Ken allows are the rules and he did:

"I would say that if the localized voice cast is listed in the end credits (whether in a distinct section or not) when the film is played, then they should be included.  Otherwise, not.
I would include those if the selected language matches the profile's locality."

In a German edition with German Overview the German Voicecast can be included, whether in a distinct section or not listed. And as it is listed it is not uncredited. Is this so hard to understand?

That should be clear for all to understand. What Ken allows are the rules, so please stop those no votings, even if I only add a crosslink for a voicecast I get from certain persons a NO vote and it's from a common name thread. These NO votes are against the rules and have to be stopped, thanks.
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Ken's statement is absolutely nonsense, because a disc can also be austrian, german, netherlands and even british.

Sometimes a box can only be handled with disc-ID, and whatever is said here, I will always vote against it, because this is useless in so many ways.

The same disc can and should be profiled in multiple countries/localities.

This disc in the German locality should have the German voicecast, per Ken.
The same disc in the French or British locality would not have the German voicecast added.


why shouldn't the German dubbers be contributed if the German audio track contains them on any other locality? And since they are allowed for the German local any other language dubbers on the disc in other language tracks should be contributed also, or are the German language contributors discriminating against any none German living in the country. Are they going to omit the original film track voice actors and just list the German dubbers.

These are credits that most are not going to be able to verify that they actually exist, and what is the correct post-post-production none cast German voice dubber credit.
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Please stop this nonsense.

To contribute any technical distributor people as cast is nonsense.

Cast from the film credits. Yes, that was a good rule. Simple, and unambiguous. And it still is.

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In a German edition with German Overview the German Voicecast can be included, whether in a distinct section or not listed. And as it is listed it is not uncredited. Is this so hard to understand?

Why are you talking about the overview now? And you are just repeating two posts from Ken Cole.

Any people, listed anywhere, or not, ... are now cast of the film? What about your invented dividers? What about aural verification?  What about the nationalism? Omitting French, Italian, and Spanish dubbers, which are presented on the disc in the very same way as German dubbers?

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please stop those no votings, even if I only add a crosslink for a voicecast I get from certain persons a NO vote and it's from a common name thread. These NO votes are against the rules and have to be stopped

You are implying that I'm voting against your contributions. You are a filthy liar! As if I had the time to check any nonsense contribution.

Most common credits for uncredited people are nonsense, though.
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why shouldn't the German dubbers be contributed if the German audio track contains them on any other locality? And since they are allowed for the German local any other language dubbers on the disc in other language tracks should be contributed also, or are the German language contributors discriminating against any none German living in the country. Are they going to omit the original film track voice actors and just list the German dubbers.

These are credits that most are not going to be able to verify that they actually exist, and what is the correct post-post-production none cast German voice dubber credit.


Ateo, they are after end credits only in German localized editions. So issued in Germany with a German Overview on the Backcover. Those have often the German voicecredits in end credits and as Ken told only the duped language, in this case German, is allowed as it must much the locality. When an US film has a German Audio Track there is no voicecast present and we add also no voicecast there.
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