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4K internal disc drive for PC
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I'm looking to buy a 4k internal drive for my PC. I don't need any burning capabilities, just want to do profiles on my pc in DVDP. Any pointers in the right direction, by someone who has one, would be very helpful. TIA.

Should have mentioned, I have CyberLink PowerDVD 17 Ultra and AnyDVD. Will I need any other special software or hardware to read and/or play the discs. I'm assuming I will need a 4K monitor and HDMI 2.2 cable.
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Good luck. I have Blurays capable of reading the disks, but no way to play them yet.

"In order to play UHD Blu-rays, your system must support AACS 2.0 and Intel’s Software Guard Extensions (SGX). You’ll need software to play the disc itself (CyberLink has an updated software solution set to ship in the near future), and a GPU with HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 support. AACS 2.0 also has to be implemented within the GPU driver, and no current stand-alone GPU drivers have this functionality. Finally, you need a 4K TV with both HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 support as well.

This is a tall order. No Intel chips before Skylake support SGX, and just owning a Skylake board isn’t enough — many desktop boards never implemented the feature and don’t support it in UEFI. The HDCP 2.2 support requirement is also dodgy, since not every Intel board supports that standard, either.

In theory, the UHD Blu-ray playback situation should be better than the 4K streaming situation, since at least 6th and 7th-generation Core chips are both supported. In practice, it seems to be every bit as much of a muddle and a problem. Support is limited to specific SKUs and motherboards with particular features, and the dependence on integrated graphics for decode support means that you can’t use UHD Blu-ray with any Intel HEDT system (HEDT refers to Intel’s E-class chips — Sandy Bridge-E, Ivy Bridge-E, Haswell-E, etc).

For years, there’s been a push-pull between content pirates and the content production industry, with law-abiding fans generally caught in the middle. For years, the content consumption side of the business has warned that if technology became too draconian, people simply wouldn’t use it. That seems to be the point at which we’ve arrived. Given the snail-like speed of PC refresh cycles these days, 4K streaming support will take 3-5 years to establish itself in the market, while UHD Blu-ray playback may never happen at all, thanks to ridiculously strict requirements that block out entire swathes of the hardware market."
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Great information here! I just bought a used ThinkPad and a "4k" replacement drive for it and the latest CyberLink, and I also have DVDFab Passkey.

I haven't put it all together yet, but based on this discussion, I don't expect to be able to play 4K UHD, which was my hope. But that's OK - maybe at least I can get "discID" setting within DVD Profiler?

I know that Blu-Ray DVDP discID is proprietary and not related to any kind of Blu-Ray standard. Is it the same for 4K UHD, or is there an actual Industry discID that is being used in DVDP?
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I can read 4k disks fine. Even copy them to HDD. But until someone 'cracks' the potection properly, there is no way to use these files.
From what I read, this would possibly the only way to view them on PC. Looks like the industry (Read Studios in here) are throwing roadblocks in the way. I do not blame them as it is a big chunk of money they lose. And I myself personaly NEVER download movies. I wait for them to appear on disk and buy them. Which is why I am up to 65 4k and growing. And over 3000 all up.
Also there is one 'ripping' program out there, but it is disk specific in that the Russian group involved just grabs the decrypt key for the specific disk used.

EDIT: DVDFab and SlyFox will possibly NEVER offer 4k support. They have come out and said that they are not developing it. I suspect that they 'made a deal' to be allowed to keep doing Bluray but not 4k so the studios would leave them alone. Just my personal take.
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EDIT: DVDFab and SlyFox will possibly NEVER offer 4k support. They have come out and said that they are not developing it. I suspect that they 'made a deal' to be allowed to keep doing Bluray but not 4k so the studios would leave them alone. Just my personal take.

I agree that this is likely the case.

What I am concerned mostly with, is being able to play a 4K disc on my PC, which Cyberlink claims it can do, and being able to read 4K UHD discID into DVD Profiler. I still don't know if that is possible. Is that what you were saying?
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Bummer. So I take it that the people who are supplying 4K discIDs only have that capability?
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EDIT: DVDFab and SlyFox will possibly NEVER offer 4k support. They have come out and said that they are not developing it. I suspect that they 'made a deal' to be allowed to keep doing Bluray but not 4k so the studios would leave them alone. Just my personal take.

I agree that this is likely the case.

What I am concerned mostly with, is being able to play a 4K disc on my PC, which Cyberlink claims it can do, and being able to read 4K UHD discID into DVD Profiler. I still don't know if that is possible. Is that what you were saying?


You can do this. You need WinDVD Pro 12 or other current software that can play UHD and a compatible drive.
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You can do this. You need WinDVD Pro 12 or other current software that can play UHD and a compatible drive.


I have tried various 4k players, and none of them will open a 4k disk. Have to have right combination of Hardware. I have no issues playing 4k with any of these programs (Have plenty of 4k trailers etc).
Just tried again using Windvd and others, and no go. As far as I can assertain, no players will Decrypt disks presently, as if you can do this on a PC, then should be possible to reverse engineer this and come up with a ripper.
On the Disk ID front, just tried Pacific Rim 4k disk and it found a 4k match in the Database with ID
386F4CF4DA734303
So if drive can read disk, no issues with getting Disk ID.
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Thanks for those updates. My PC is just about configured. Will get to try it soon myself.
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Just ordered a new PC with this processor: Intel Xeon W-2123 3.6GHz, 3.9GHz Turbo, 4C, 8.25M Cache, HT, (120W) DDR4-2666 and this video card: NVIDIA Quadro P1000, 4GB (5820T) and have CyberLink PowerDVD 17. Am ordering a Pioneer BDR-211UBK internal drive and hoping this all works together. If I can just read the disc ID's I'd be happy.
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Just ordered a new PC with this processor: Intel Xeon W-2123 3.6GHz, 3.9GHz Turbo, 4C, 8.25M Cache, HT, (120W) DDR4-2666 and this video card: NVIDIA Quadro P1000, 4GB (5820T) and have CyberLink PowerDVD 17. Am ordering a Pioneer BDR-211UBK internal drive and hoping this all works together. If I can just read the disc ID's I'd be happy.

Please let us know what it's capable of after you get it going.
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Thanks for those updates. My PC is just about configured. Will get to try it soon myself.

I finally got a chance to install my new PC and 4K UHD drive, along with PowerDVD 16. I am able to load disc ID into DVD Profiler, but my system is still too old to play 4k UHD, but that's OK. I don't want to spend the money. I am happy with my fast, obsolete ThinkPad.

Using the free CyberLink Ultra HD Blu-ray Advisor, I got complete and detailed information about what was missing in my system - basically, inadequate GPU support for the new UHD disc standards. Blu-Rays play fine of course, and I have enough power and screen resolution to play unprotected 4K UHD Youtube content, just not 4k UHD discs.
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Thanks for those updates. My PC is just about configured. Will get to try it soon myself.

I finally got a chance to install my new PC and 4K UHD drive, along with PowerDVD 16. I am able to load disc ID into DVD Profiler, but my system is still too old to play 4k UHD, but that's OK. I don't want to spend the money. I am happy with my fast, obsolete ThinkPad.

Using the free CyberLink Ultra HD Blu-ray Advisor, I got complete and detailed information about what was missing in my system - basically, inadequate GPU support for the new UHD disc standards. Blu-Rays play fine of course, and I have enough power and screen resolution to play unprotected 4K UHD Youtube content, just not 4k UHD discs.


I have a feeling I'm going to have the same problem. My new PC doesn't arrive until next week and I won't have time to work on it until after the new year, so it will be a while. I read somewhere that the graphics have to be imbedded (not a separate video card) and have to have 8GB of memory plus all the GPU and HDCP stuff. I ordered a separate graphics board, so I'm thinking it's not going to work. I'm not sure my 26" monitor will support the Ultra standards either.

If I can read and populate Ultra disc IDs into DVDP (which it sounds like I will), then I'll be good for now.
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Not sure if this will help, but here are screen shots of the results of the Cyberlink scan of my system for UltraHD, 3D and BD requirements. You might gets some clues from those, how your system will measure up - maybe there is even time to make an adjustment?

Good to go: BD Scan

Missing 3D Display: 3D Scan

Obsolete GPUs: UHD Scan

I thought I had purchased a UHD compatible version of Cyberlink. I need to look for the download. Anyway, I have other more severe issues, so it doesn't matter at the moment.
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