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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I believe the reference made by Ace, was precisely that scenario was it not. Surely you aren't trying to claim a different side as a different disc.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Surely you aren't trying to claim a different side as a different disc. I don't own any such examples, no, although it could theoretically happen, I suppose (despite your rolleyes-smiley, the "box set" page of the rules specifically mentions "Sets containing 2 films, one on each side of Dual-Sided DVD" as qualifying as a box set). I'm just saying that a two-disc set, with two different versions of the same movie, is a box set per the rules, with an empty parent and two child profiles, one for each disc. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Of course you are, tim Thanks. As always, I simply try to follow the rules to the best of my ability. The rules specifically state how to deal with multiple versions of the film " on the same disc". That very specific addition would be rather pointless if we were to handle different versions of the film on separate discs the same way, wouldn't it? Then there'd be no point in adding that comment whatsoever. Thus, it has to mean different versions of the film on separate discs have to be handled differently. Enter the "box set" rules. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Agrare:
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If the profiles were available for download I might consider it
Well, mine are... I don't see how the rules prohibit this (there aren't even "unrated" versions in play here), and as I explained: I couldn't profile just one of them, because in many cases, I simply wouldn't know which disc to profile, and which disc to ignore. Could you provide and example? I don't know that I have ever seen this kind of set. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Could you provide and example? I don't know that I have ever seen this kind of set. Of sets with multiple versions of the same film? Sin City (786936769616): Two discs, theatrical & recut version Blade Runner (085391185741): Five discs (two are bonus) and four cuts of the film on the other three discs. Blade Runner actually has children for each disc but the Parent profile has cast/crew for the Final cut. Don't know if that was an arbitrary choice but it is the longest cut. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Could you provide and example? I don't know that I have ever seen this kind of set. I have, for example, the "25th Anniversary" 2-disc set of 'The Blues Brothers', which consists of two discs: one with the "original theatrical version" and one with the "director's cut". Each has a different running time, a different set of audio tracks, a different set of subtitles, and each has it's own bonus material. Another example is an 'E.T.' set, containing the tinkered-with-by-Spielberg "20th Anniversary" edition first, plus a second disc with bonus material, and then the original theatrical version (the one I prefer) on the third disc. I also have an 'Almost Famous' set, containing the theatrical version on disc one, and the "Untitled" director's cut on disc two (which, by the way, has a different cast list as the theatrical version). None of these are really classed as just "bonus material" on the cover. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
Of sets with multiple versions of the same film?
Sin City (786936769616): Two discs, theatrical & recut version
Blade Runner (085391185741): Five discs (two are bonus) and four cuts of the film on the other three discs.
Blade Runner actually has children for each disc but the Parent profile has cast/crew for the Final cut. Don't know if that was an arbitrary choice but it is the longest cut. For sets like this, I would make the main profile match the first disc...assuming they are numbered...and have all the rest set up as 'Bonuse Feature Films'. If they are not numbered, then I can see a problem. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
For sets like this, I would make the main profile match the first disc...assuming they are numbered...and have all the rest set up as 'Bonuse Feature Films'. If they are not numbered, then I can see a problem. The Blade Runner set is numbered and the profiled version (the Final Cut) is Disc 1. Sin City...not numbered and apparently the Cast/Crew was taken from another DVD version pre-release, so i'm not sure just now which is profiled. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting tweeter:
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Of sets with multiple versions of the same film?
Sin City (786936769616): Two discs, theatrical & recut version
Blade Runner (085391185741): Five discs (two are bonus) and four cuts of the film on the other three discs.
Blade Runner actually has children for each disc but the Parent profile has cast/crew for the Final cut. Don't know if that was an arbitrary choice but it is the longest cut.
For sets like this, I would make the main profile match the first disc...assuming they are numbered...and have all the rest set up as 'Bonuse Feature Films'. If they are not numbered, then I can see a problem. Now there is a rational idea, and IF they are not numbered default to the long version for the parent. But let's not try and confuse this with dual sided-discs. The thing for all to remember is that this, like so many issues, did not exist three of four years ago. We can extrapolate sometimes. But more importantly, for those who basically started this brouhaha, trying to compare two of the same title and format in one package, to the OP question is simply luudicrous, they are two entirely different questions entirely Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Could you provide and example? I don't know that I have ever seen this kind of set. Additional examples: Ultimate Editions of Legend and Dawn of the Dead, I Am Legend Ultimate Collector's Edition, the single releases of the Star Wars OT. This is fairly common. |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Now there is a rational idea, and IF they are not numbered default to the long version for the parent. But let's not try and confuse this with dual sided-discs. The thing for all to remember is that this, like so many issues, did not exist three of four years ago. We can extrapolate sometimes. But more importantly, for those who basically started this brouhaha, trying to compare two of the same title and format in one package, to the OP question is simply luudicrous, they are two entirely different questions entirely
Skip I don't see how. The rules don't mention format in this context. If we can treat two copies of the same movie as a boxset in one circumstance, it seems reasonable to ask about others. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Of course you don't Ace. Nor am I surprised.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,879 |
| | Posted: | | | | For a recent example, the release of Last Chance Harvey has two discs - the first is widescreen, the second pan&scan. I simply added the disc IDs in the 'discs' field. I suppose I would have no objection to it being entered as a box set, though I wouldn't keep it that way locally. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
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| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
For a recent example, the release of Last Chance Harvey has two discs - the first is widescreen, the second pan&scan. I simply added the disc IDs in the 'discs' field. I suppose I would have no objection to it being entered as a box set, though I wouldn't keep it that way locally. That's something else altogether: I'd handle these the same as you did. We were talking about two discs containing different cuts. Not just a different aspect ratio, meaning they can have different running times, different sets of audio tracks and subtitles, separate bonus material, and even different cast and/or crew data. |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Of course you don't Ace. Nor am I surprised.
Skip I'm just asking for clarification from Gerri here. You're the one making a claim. Gerri has confirmed a second copy of the main film can be considered a bonus feature film if it can be considered a special feature and is on a second disc. I asked if it is considered a different situation when you have different cuts of a film than different formats. You claimed it was and when pressed as to why since the rules don't explicitly say this, you resorted personal insults. Please kindly explain your reasoning or just wait for an official pronouncement rather than making an ass of yourself. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No she did NOT, Ace. You are twisting what she said so that you can muddy the water. What she said deals with a special case and your "clarification" request is totally different matter.
And as far as I am concerned as long you persist in not understanding that, then your clarification request is not even worth addressing. I repeat what Gerri had to say was regarding a special case involving two totally different formats in ONE case or sset
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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