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20th Century Fox Home Entertainment vs. Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,198 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
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I'm not sure, but the reason that the studios-thread uses the shorter "20th Century Fox Home Entertainment" version may have been that the studios field just wasn't long enough to allow the longer variant back then.
I believe that's the original reason. Yes, that was the original reason. I use 'Twentieth' for the film studio, so it kind of makes sense to use it for the distributor as well...especially since it is printed on the case. It will, however, be a bit of work. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting m.cellophane:
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I'm not sure, but the reason that the studios-thread uses the shorter "20th Century Fox Home Entertainment" version may have been that the studios field just wasn't long enough to allow the longer variant back then.
I believe that's the original reason.
Yes, that was the original reason. I use 'Twentieth' for the film studio, so it kind of makes sense to use it for the distributor as well...especially since it is printed on the case. It will, however, be a bit of work. I have never known you to be the spirit of understatement, Unicus. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,198 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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taking that section of the rules as a whole, including the fact that they link to this thread which Invelos keeps as a sticky and in which Ken has posted comments such as "I can add filters to the acceptance process that automatically convert incorrect names into correct names. Thoughts?" (page 1) I think it's pretty clear how we are to make the rule work.
If someone were to say in their contribution notes that they were entering an incorrect studio name because there is no rule which binds them to enter correct data, I would vote no and I would anticipate that Invelos would follow through with a decline.
This is how I see things as well - it's the only logical way - but a couple of users have tried to challenge this, and now James is waiting for further clarification from Ken before doing any more updates. There is nothing to challenge. First, the thread is NOT linked from the rules. It was at IVS, but never has been here at Invelos. Second, the rule only points to the forums as a place to get further information, and ask questions, if one is unsure. If one doesn't have questions, or isn't unsrure, there is no requirement to go to the forums. I am sorry that you don't see it that way, but that is what the rule actually says...though that is, probably, a discussion for a different thread.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
that is, probably, a discussion for a different thread. It is. Well, actually, we've already done that more than enough times, and like James, I feel it's now up to Ken to settle this once and for all. IMHO, things really couldn't be more clear, but it's obvious you feel the same way. That means we'll get absolutely nowhere, and the ball is in Ken's court. He must have seen previous discussions, he's bound to see this one, and apparently James has sent him PM's about it. We'll just have to wait and see. Until then, I'll keep following the rules as I understand them, and you probably will, too. Luckily, it doesn't really affect the issue at hand, as the words "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment" are written on virtually every Fox DVD cover. Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
It will, however, be a bit of work. On the contrary: it's a matter of seconds. As you know, every single entry for any distributor, including these Fox ones, will need to be re-submitted anyway due to the fact that the DVD distributor has it's own field in v3.5. So, earlier today I edited to name from "20th" to "Twentieth": took me two seconds. The rest goes along with the "normal" DVD distributor updates that will have to be done regardless in the coming weeks. Things would be worse if we thought of this in two weeks' time - which is why I started this thread as soon as I became aware of the issue. If enough people do this before the avalanche of distributor updates, we'll have the correct format propagated in no-time. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,198 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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It will, however, be a bit of work.
On the contrary: it's a matter of seconds. As you know, every single entry for any distributor, including these Fox ones, will need to be re-submitted anyway due to the fact that the DVD distributor has it's own field in v3.5. So, earlier today I edited to name from "20th" to "Twentieth": took me two seconds. The rest goes along with the "normal" DVD distributor updates that will have to be done regardless in the coming weeks. Things would be worse if we thought of this in two weeks' time - which is why I started this thread as soon as I became aware of the issue. You are correct. I assumed I would have to change each profile. Glad to see I assumed incorrectly. That being the case, I prefer the name printed on the case...which in this case would be 'Twentieth'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Posts: 38 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think that how it is spelled out in the copyright info should take precedence over any logos..
so I'd go with "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment" if that is what appears in the copyright notice. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | So nice to see the poll resuts being heeded by the OP.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 302 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote:
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I've only seen it written as Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment on the profiles I've worked on, so I would have to go with that option....
I'm perfectly happy to agree with that, ...
I agree - the Studio Reference thread should be updated.  I agree and second that. | | | regards, Mad -
My HD-Media, DVDs, Laserdiscs |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
So nice to see the poll resuts being heeded by the OP. Fun, isn't it? Well, I learned a long time ago that in basically every DVDP poll, you need to subtract 10 votes from the "winning" option and add them to the second most popular option to find the truth. Seriously though: as pointed out earlier, the poll results probably are what they are simply BECAUSE it's listed as such in studios reference thread. That's nice, but we haven't heard anyone with another explanation for using "20th" than "because that's what it says in the studios thread". On the other hand, we've seen plenty of good reasons for using "Twentieth": CalebAndCo dug up some legal proof, Northbloke checked Fox's websites, and myself and others have checked quite a large number of actual covers. It was shown that whenever the name is written out, it's done as "Twentieth", while only the logo uses "20th". To me, this means more than a few users voting for the studios thread-preferred "20th" just because that's what they've always been doing. It shouldn't be about how it was; it's about what it should be. And all signs point to "Twentieth". I'm even guessing you're a "Twentieth" supporter yourself... |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
To me, this means more than a few users voting for the studios thread-preferred "20th" just because that's what they've always been doing. I voted for 20th because when I look at a film from them, the firt thing I see is their famous logo, and it is written 20th Century fox. More than fifty years that 20th is in my mind, not at all Twentieth which is written in small characters somewhere on a back cover. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | There's a flying horse in my mind too but still I have to enter "TriStar".   | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Daddy DVD: Quote:
There's a flying horse in my mind too but still I have to enter "TriStar". Me too, but it is just written Tristar under the horse, and not 3star.  | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
That's nice, but we haven't heard anyone with another explanation for using "20th" than "because that's what it says in the studios thread". The other reason given was because in the past the field wasn't long enough for the spelled out name. Which means there are probably a lot of these that will have to be changed. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
|  | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
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That's nice, but we haven't heard anyone with another explanation for using "20th" than "because that's what it says in the studios thread".
The other reason given was because in the past the field wasn't long enough for the spelled out name. Which means there are probably a lot of these that will have to be changed. They will have to be changed/added anyway with the new Media Distributor field in place for 3.5..  | | | Berak
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| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
Which means there are probably a lot of these that will have to be changed. Changed? Seems the majority is still for 20th... | | | | Images from movies |
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