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Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeKen Cole
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The Invelos evaluators' standing policy is to accept profiles that add significant value.  They do not have to be complete, nor even completely accurate.  If you're submitting 50 painstakingly correct cast entries but get the production year wrong, the profile should be accepted and corrected later.

"No" votes are equally valid in this case, however.  They allow the contributor a chance to correct their submission if they choose, and save someone the effort of the correction later on.

I've sent out a notes reiterating this policy to the evaluators.
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The Invelos evaluators' standing policy is to accept profiles that add significant value.  They do not have to be complete, nor even completely accurate.  If you're submitting 50 painstakingly correct cast entries but get the production year wrong, the profile should be accepted and corrected later.

 
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If a contribution is 99% correct but has some minor error I usually vote Yes with a comment so that the user can check out the contribution if they want, but it wont stop the contribution from being accepted. I feel this is better than voting No to good data, especially if the current profile is in badly need of an update. In small localities you can't afford to be too picky or nothing would change ever...
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So, better is good. Perfect is not neccessary. Makes sense to me, because I like better, and I realize we're all human and capable of making errors. Polishing is a process -- a means, not the end result.
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Speaking for myself, I love the contribution process. If I took every no vote as a personal attack, I'd never get a contribution in. I usually take the comments in stride and correct the errors pointed out in the comments, if I feel the no vote is improper I'll PM the no voter with my arguments. We all want the same thing, for this to be the best DB possible. I agree with Pasta and VibroCount better is always a good thing. Just MHO.

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Yeah, no votes never really concern me that much.  I do updates for my local database.  I contribute them to help out others, but if folks don't want them that's okay too.
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couple things.., One-  is I love it when some one has contributed a fantastic scan but the other details are out of sync for approved contribution., the trick is grab the scan now and don't wait to see if the contribution gets accepted.  if it does it does., No loss., But if it fails or the locality gets changed , you may never see that scan again.. grab it now.
second-  You may, as I have, spent hours tweaking just one profile to your own satisfaction, but you Know there will be a lot of bickering to a degree on what is or will ever be approved.
If you have negative vote problems after the third or fourth 'correction' , ,PULL it.. and keep it localized.. their loss your gain..
There are many many times that I have changed something to get it voted on yes,, but my own profile is somewhat 'different'  than the one I contributed.
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I think some people just simply don't feel comfortable submitting certain info. I, for one, don't feel comfortable submitting studio or crew data (beyond the primary crew) most of the time. I find it confusing, and of only marginal interest to me.

I understand that but, if if someone is going to contribute the MC from the back cover, why not the overview or MC as well?  Why just the one item when all three are found in the same place?

In addition to that, sometimes, it is the same person doing the multiple contributions.  They will submit once for the rating detail then, when it is approved, submit the MC then, when that is approved, submit the overview changes.  While it doesn't happen often, I think it is bad form.
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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The Invelos evaluators' standing policy is to accept profiles that add significant value.  They do not have to be complete, nor even completely accurate.  If you're submitting 50 painstakingly correct cast entries but get the production year wrong, the profile should be accepted and corrected later.

 


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I think some people just simply don't feel comfortable submitting certain info. I, for one, don't feel comfortable submitting studio or crew data (beyond the primary crew) most of the time. I find it confusing, and of only marginal interest to me.

I understand that but, if if someone is going to contribute the MC from the back cover, why not the overview or MC as well?  Why just the one item when all three are found in the same place?

In addition to that, sometimes, it is the same person doing the multiple contributions.  They will submit once for the rating detail then, when it is approved, submit the MC then, when that is approved, submit the overview changes.  While it doesn't happen often, I think it is bad form.


I agree.  "Significant Value" is the key phrase.  I have been making a number of contributions lately.  I always check for Media Companies, Overview, ratings, and a lot of times a quick scan of the cast to make sure I don't notice any improper Uncredited or voice tags (from the DB conversion).  And even a lot of new scans.  But to contribute just for Media company or just ratings, is just plain lazy.  If you want more numbers, there are plenty of profiles out there that need corrections.
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I've been trying to establish a hierarchy for what to audit in my collection, but in doing so I have noticed many, many errors, some glaring, in the profiles. Some things I will quickly change for my local, and if I remember or mark it as such, I will do as per rules later and contribute. Locally I do a number of common name changes just to get things linked, without going to the vast efforts of checking the multiple results in the CLT. So far, major issues I've found include:

* A smattering of profiles (that I sometimes don't recall creating but) that aren't in the db.
* Blurry or grainy cover scans, or covers with cases visible.
* Overviews that do not match the cover
* Glaringly obvious use of IMDb credits; accents on Japanese names and Roman numerals being the easiest to spot.
* No/very few cast and crew. For some (esp. Asian imports) this can't be helped (sometimes even with third-party dbs).
* No (voice) tags on animated films (quick and easy to fix).

If I decide to work on a profile, sometimes I'll just work on the quick, easy stuff and submit it. Often though, if just moving a company to MC I'll just do that without comparing to the case, but I won't submit this unless I'm doing other stuff, in which case I'll check anyway.

There are some profiles I really can't do much about. Generally they're imports, and often are among my favourite films (I went to the effort to source them, didn't I?). That being said, there are some profiles that only a single change is necessary. However, I agree with others that if you're making a change from the back cover, you should be making the other quick changes in the same submission. At the end of the day though, if I've just spent hours doing a full audit, the additional few minutes are worth it to get it into the database, if only as a third "backup" of the data.
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I think some people just simply don't feel comfortable submitting certain info. I, for one, don't feel comfortable submitting studio or crew data (beyond the primary crew) most of the time. I find it confusing, and of only marginal interest to me.

I understand that but, if if someone is going to contribute the MC from the back cover, why not the overview or MC as well?  Why just the one item when all three are found in the same place?

In addition to that, sometimes, it is the same person doing the multiple contributions.  They will submit once for the rating detail then, when it is approved, submit the MC then, when that is approved, submit the overview changes.  While it doesn't happen often, I think it is bad form.


I agree.  "Significant Value" is the key phrase.  I have been making a number of contributions lately.  I always check for Media Companies, Overview, ratings, and a lot of times a quick scan of the cast to make sure I don't notice any improper Uncredited or voice tags (from the DB conversion).  And even a lot of new scans.  But to contribute just for Media company or just ratings, is just plain lazy.  If you want more numbers, there are plenty of profiles out there that need corrections.


Well, with the addition of the Rating details field, I found that to be quite useful. So, I made a rather large effort to fill in this field where it was missing in my collection. It took me several weeks to finish this, and I contributed the changes as I went along, thinking that others would appreciate it. Considering the amount of time it took for me to do this, I don't think "lazy" fits at all. I'm sorry if you don't appreciate it, and will happily keep small corrections to myself in the future.
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Lately in updating and also checking the updates, especially TV series profiles, I've seen some people are using the running time off the the back cover changing the the time someone bothered to total the
episode times.

I have seen very few times from the back cover of tv series that are correct.
Its one thing for prerelease profiles have approximate times, but not after you have the dvds.
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I on the other hand find anything that is accurate and within the rules that is added or changed on a profile to be of "significant value"... so I for one Thank You for them all Broven! 
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Lazy may not have beeen the best choice of words, but...

You got the ratings detail from the back cover or filmrating?  Either way, you must have looked at the back of the box and had the profile open.  Since the the media companies and the overview were right there, wouldn't it have made since to go ahead and do those corrections also.  It may have taken a couple of extra minutes per profile, but at least it would have been done at one time. 

I really feel for the evaluators, when the new rules went into effect, they were bombarded with profiles, first making a change to the Media companiiies, then another contribution for the ratings detail, then possibly a third to redo the overview. 

Now don't get me wrong, I do use the ratings detail, and I can uderstand if you don't want to do a "Full Audit", but to download updates to the same profile three times in three weeks is a little bit off, for the extra couple of minutes for the profile edit, and it could have been done once.

I apologize if I offended....
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I really feel for the evaluators, when the new rules went into effect, they were bombarded with profiles, first making a change to the Media companiiies, then another contribution for the ratings detail, then possibly a third to redo the overview. 


It's not entirely the users fault here, especially over what is now the MC field. The name changed with almost every new release & consequently there was some confusion over exactly what was required in the field. Similar with the rating details with the various changes to how to capitalise it & what words to leave out.

Now it's final however, it is annoying to see submissions that ONLY contain an addition/update to one of those fields if the others are empty. For example, there were many UK entries submitted that originally had "Contains" at the start of Rating Details. I've seen plenty of submissions that change nothing other than remove that. I just totally ignore those submissions because in my opinion, they don't "add significant value to the database".
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