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Contributing Flip-covers
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorhpopp
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Is contributing flip-covers against the contribution rules?

For a few weeks, all new releases of DVDs in Germany are required to have a big ugly ratings-label on the front-side by law.

Since this often destroys the cover-art, some media-companies started to release their DVDs with flip-covers that have the same cover without the ratings-label on the inside, so that collectors can enjoy the covers the way they were supposed to look.

The contribution-rules do not address this problem exactly. The only requirement that even remotely goes into the direction of motive states:
"The covers must match the profile exactly, including the UPC and locality." Which fits to both sides of the cover since the "inside"-cover does match the profile exactly.

I currently have two contributions pending, one where at the moment there are two yes and two no votes. The no-votes stating that the coverscan should only be the side that is required to be shown in shops by law, which in the end would mean that it is against the contribution rules to supply the inside of flip-covers at all.

Two examples:





Backcovers are identical.





The second one could be argued about since there are differences between the covers because the media-company used the space that got available with the loss of the ratings-label and increased the size of the title.


However, in my eyes the contributions are not against the contribution rules since the scans belong to the profile and locality and it is not stated in the rules that we are supposed to contribute the covers as they are seen in the shops...
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Maybe we can compare this to releases where the ratings sticker is on the plastic wrap, which gets thrown away, and thus is not scanned.

On the other hand, we do "prefer"  the slip cover over a box cover.

For esthetic reasons, I would drop the ratings indicator when possible. But I would not vote against either. Unfortunately, there are more countries where they go overboard with the size of the indicator. Probably seen as good marketing, makes a movie more " interesting".
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For esthetic reasons, I would drop the ratings indicator when possible.

Seconded! Those FSK-logos are really an eye-sore.

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For esthetic reasons, I would drop the ratings indicator when possible.

Seconded! Those FSK-logos are really an eye-sore.

cya, Mithi


+1
I don't even buy them if they don't have a flipcover.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRAPMAN
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IMO the flip-covers are some kind of bonus feature (and should be entered there) and shouldn't be used for the Online Database. You don't buy the DVD with the flip-covers visible. I think almost every collector from Germany dislikes those gigantic rating logos, but this is a personal preference that should stay local. Especially since the rating-logos are mandatory by the law.
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If one side of the cover is already in the database, leave it with that side, if not then I personally would go with the one that has to show on the shelves in store but can understand why some would prefer the non rating side.
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IMO the flip-covers are some kind of bonus feature (and should be entered there) and shouldn't be used for the Online Database. You don't buy the DVD with the flip-covers visible. I think almost every collector from Germany dislikes those gigantic rating logos, but this is a personal preference that should stay local. Especially since the rating-logos are mandatory by the law.


I really hate this new rating logos, but I have to agree.

The online cover should reflect the cover as it is shown in shops or when you buy them new, the flip-cover is an "other feature" and scans of the inner side should be a local thing.

And we could open an extra thread where people could post these inner scans and share them with all who are interested.
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For esthetic reasons, I would drop the ratings indicator when possible.


For esthetic reasons we should edit John Travolta out of every cover he appears on. 
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IMO the flip-covers are some kind of bonus feature (and should be entered there) and shouldn't be used for the Online Database. You don't buy the DVD with the flip-covers visible. I think almost every collector from Germany dislikes those gigantic rating logos, but this is a personal preference that should stay local. Especially since the rating-logos are mandatory by the law.


I really hate this new rating logos, but I have to agree.

The online cover should reflect the cover as it is shown in shops or when you buy them new, the flip-cover is an "other feature" and scans of the inner side should be a local thing.


Have to agree as well.
I don't like the rating logos either, but they are appearing on the original cover.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
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As much as I dislike those rating Symbols, I would also agree that the cover that is seen in shops should be used, but I would not vote NO, this issue is not in the rules, so I think both sides should be legal right now

I just would not replace any covers to avoid ping-pong battles.

First come , first serve basis I would say

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As much as I dislike those rating Symbols, I would also agree that the cover that is seen in shops should be used, but I would not vote NO, this issue is not in the rules, so I think both sides should be legal right now

Therefore I think we need an official statement from Ken which cover should be contributed. I don't like the rating symbols, but they are on the cover which you buy. To prevent battles wich cover should be use in the database and to prevent that on half is with rating symbol and the other half use the other side of the flip-cover we need something "official". Another german especialness which needs to be solved
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The rules don't seem to address this, as far as I can tell. So, until Invelos rules in this matter, I'd say:

- from a logic point of view, the cover as it is displayed in stores is the one to use
- from an estethic point of view, the flipcover is better

I think both covers have valid arguments pro and con, so I guess it would be up to individual voters to vote how they see fit.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJogi
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The second one could be argued about since there are differences between the covers because the media-company used the space that got available with the loss of the ratings-label and increased the size of the title.

And in case of "Futureworld" you are also removing all rating information. There's no rating label nor any other rating info on the "inner" cover. Removing any given information is not an improvement, I think.
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As my collection is stored at home and not in the department store and the publishing company gives me the possibility to flip the cover due to an oversized ugly rating symbol, it's pretty obvious that I submit the flipcover here.
How bureaucratic can one get?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorArdos
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It's got nothing to do with bureaucracy. It's got to do with which contains the most useful information. The one that gives you information about how old you have to be to buy the title or the one without that info? Quite logical to me.
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We have a special field for the rating info, which sometimes is on the spine, or on the bottom or on the disc only, so having a picture is not really important.

On the other hand, being able to recognize a cover while shopping may be the overriding desire.

A pity though that these flip covers aren't provided as a rip-off version, like the covers where the rating sticker is on the outside cellophane wrap.
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