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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Martian:
They aren't interchangeable. Guidelines as users used to note, as you well know,used to state that they do not have tofollow Guidelines.Violate the Rules and there is a price paid, violate the Guidelines and there is noprice paid,unless you violate the IRS Guidelines. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
Define
Guideline - Recommended practice that allows some discretion or leeway in its interpretation, implementation, or use.
Rule - Statement that establishes a principle or standard, and serves as a norm for guiding or mandating action or conduct
So in realism, we have a set of rules as expressed in the "Contribution Rules" and guidelines which have been expressed (but not yet codified within the rules) in the contribution forum.
Charlie I accept that, Charlie | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
Define
Guideline - Recommended practice that allows some discretion or leeway in its interpretation, implementation, or use.
Rule - Statement that establishes a principle or standard, and serves as a norm for guiding or mandating action or conduct
So in realism, we have a set of rules as expressed in the "Contribution Rules" and guidelines which have been expressed (but not yet codified within the rules) in the contribution forum.
Charlie Thanks for illustrating the point I was trying to make. It is because of these differing definitions that the word 'rule' is now used. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Martian:
They aren't interchangeable. Guidelines as users used to note, as you well know,used to state that they do not have tofollow Guidelines.Violate the Rules and there is a price paid, violate the Guidelines and there is noprice paid,unless you violate the IRS Guidelines. I am a parser so, for me, they are interchangeable. I do, however, understand that other people don't see it the same way I do and, because of that, the word was changed. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't know what parsing has to do with it, my friend. As I stated and explained they are NOT the same, similar perhaps, but they are not the same, nor are they interchangeable and that was graphically right here in the world of Profiler, as you well know. Having one title edited 900 times over 5 years was utterly ridiculous, having users mess with Sort Title for their own purposes was both ridiculous and selfish, and those are only two of the many issues that were caused by having Guidelines. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Actually, looking at it further, they are all classified as rules.
Rule - Statement that establishes a principle or standard, and serves as a norm for guiding or mandating action or conduct
Four Sub classifications
1. Published commands that may not be ignored in any circumstance and whose violation is punished.
2. Published rules that imply a predicted behavior and whose violation may be permitted or tolerated under certain circumstances.
3. Unpublished rules that are conveyed by behavior and are implicitly understood
4. Commonly published and recommended practices that allow some discretion with their interpretation and use.
So they are all rules, just varying degrees of enforcement
Charlie |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Merrik and TheMadMartian, as usual, articulate many of the things that I would like to get across. So, I am late to the table once again.
First, J68 I would like to extend a warm welcome to the forums. Fresh eyes often see things that us old timers miss. I look forward to reading your thoughts on ways to improve the database.
The people that have been here awhile might be able to assist you too. For example, the rules for contributing to the online database are one area that can be a bit confusing.
There will always be flaws in any program including this one. For example one of my personal pet peeves is the inability of the program to have any other cover scan other than the initial release.
IMDb also has flaws too but is another great resource for movie lovers. I don't believe that there can ever be a perfect program. What works best for one person might not for another so how can it ever be perfect?
You might already know this but it is important to know that there is a vast difference between what you do in your local database and what you contribute online.
Locally, you can do anything you want. Data, scans etc. can be made exactly the way you want. It is also important to utilize the Lock capabilities to prevent any information from being lost during updates.
It is only when you decide to contribute to the online database that you might run into problems. There are guidelines in place that were established to try and have everyone contribute the same way. These can be found in two places:
1) http://invelos.com/dvdpro/contributions/Rules.aspx
2) http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=430575
Questions regarding contributions, such as the one we are discussing in this thread, is found here:
http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewforum&forumID=3
You will find that this program, although not perfect, has staunch supporters who are passionate about it. Watch out...or you might become one of them!  I find it interesting that out of this entire posting the focus is on a single word. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | That's because you are wrong Kathy. They are Rules, they are called Rules. Then you attacked me and yet you seem to clearly believe that YOU are someone special, someone who can even disregard the words of one of the people that does in fact own the program. So....you know,, you are wrong. Don't defend it, just admit it. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Quoting Kathy:
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Merrik and TheMadMartian, as usual, articulate many of the things that I would like to get across. So, I am late to the table once again.
First, J68 I would like to extend a warm welcome to the forums. Fresh eyes often see things that us old timers miss. I look forward to reading your thoughts on ways to improve the database.
The people that have been here awhile might be able to assist you too. For example, the rules for contributing to the online database are one area that can be a bit confusing.
There will always be flaws in any program including this one. For example one of my personal pet peeves is the inability of the program to have any other cover scan other than the initial release.
IMDb also has flaws too but is another great resource for movie lovers. I don't believe that there can ever be a perfect program. What works best for one person might not for another so how can it ever be perfect?
You might already know this but it is important to know that there is a vast difference between what you do in your local database and what you contribute online.
Locally, you can do anything you want. Data, scans etc. can be made exactly the way you want. It is also important to utilize the Lock capabilities to prevent any information from being lost during updates.
It is only when you decide to contribute to the online database that you might run into problems. There are guidelines in place that were established to try and have everyone contribute the same way. These can be found in two places:
1) http://invelos.com/dvdpro/contributions/Rules.aspx
2) http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=430575
Questions regarding contributions, such as the one we are discussing in this thread, is found here:
http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewforum&forumID=3
You will find that this program, although not perfect, has staunch supporters who are passionate about it. Watch out...or you might become one of them!
I find it interesting that out of this entire posting the focus is on a single word. I agree, we did focus on the one word. The rest of the post was great, and should have been told so. The issue is, in profiler land, Guideline and Rule have different connotations. A rule must, if at all possible, be followed. A guideline does not have that same emphasis. You know, that there are users that will make sure to emphasize that point (not only Skip). Otherwise WONDERFUL post  |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Then you attacked me You have a weird definition of the word. The only time Kathy responded to you was with this: Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Skip,
Definition of guideline:
n. 1. a rule or set of rules giving guidance on how to behave in a situation.
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, published 1913 by C. & G. Merriam Co. and the only time after she addressed you was with this: Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Skip is not the owner of the program so his input carries no more weight than any other user of this program. Neither of those even come close to resembling an "attack". Quoting Katy: Quote:
I find it interesting that out of this entire posting the focus is on a single word. I was going to post the same thing (almost exactly actually). It's sad, that out of your entirely wonderful and helpful post, a single word, a WORD, started what's going on for almost an entire page now. One can't help but laugh. It's the only way to deal with it... | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
That's because you are wrong Kathy. They are Rules, they are called Rules. Then you attacked me and yet you seem to clearly believe that YOU are someone special, someone who can even disregard the words of one of the people that does in fact own the program. So....you know,, you are wrong. Don't defend it, just admit it. I re-read my initial post and, well let me just quote myself once again: Quoting Kathy: Quote:
For example, the rules for contributing to the online database are one area that can be a bit confusing.
So, Skip it is YOU that is wrong. Don't defend it, just admit it. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,738 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
I find it interesting that out of this entire posting the focus is on a single word. I am a parser. That means I break down sentences into their component parts...all the way down to the individual words. Had Skip not made an issue of it, I wouldn't have mentioned it at all. That being said, assuming Doug was accurate in transcription, we didn't have 'guidelines' at IVS, we had a "Contribution Guide". | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Since there's obviously no point in posting anything slightly on-topic here anymore, I won't bother. Congratulations to those that have once again managed to derail a perfectly valid thread into the usual mess...  |
| | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Several pages ago I posted a thank you for the on topic postings and constructive feedback. Cynically I said I hope I didn't jinx it and here we are again, again and again. A new member is being personally attacked for what? Being new here? We all started new here and made mistakes. Why don't we help and give him guidance in stead of putting him down? A much appreciated contributor is being insulted for just using the term guidelines. Too bad. I think a lock on this topic would be best  | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,014 |
| | Posted: | | | | I fully agree, Corne. And let me extend a (late) warm welcome to J68! |
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