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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Well, if we would just dump the current linking system, the CLT system would no longer be needed and we wouldn't have the problem that T!M is referring to.
You guys are ignoring the real problem here!
And what do you suggest as an alternative? If you're really interested go HERE. | | | | Hal |
|   | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting Corne:
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Quoting hal9g:
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Well, if we would just dump the current linking system, the CLT system would no longer be needed and we wouldn't have the problem that T!M is referring to.
You guys are ignoring the real problem here!
And what do you suggest as an alternative?
If you're really interested go HERE. Thanks for the link! | | | | Cor |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Of course Tim... but the way you were replying to me through-out this thread felt like nothing but cramming something down my throat that I already agreed with... Well, it's not. I'm just trying to keep a simple point from getting buried in what I regard as futile back-and-forth about minute details. Many threads seem to end like that: more and more stuff gets piled on - prime example: hal trying to make it about the "linking system" again just now, which it isn't - and in the end, the basic premise is lost. I'd hate to see that happen here, since it's such a basic and easy-to-solve problem that deserves a little bit of attention. But as you can see......  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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Of course Tim... but the way you were replying to me through-out this thread felt like nothing but cramming something down my throat that I already agreed with...
Well, it's not. I'm just trying to keep a simple point from getting buried in what I regard as futile back-and-forth about minute details. Many threads seem to end like that: more and more stuff gets piled on - prime example: hal trying to make it about the "linking system" again just now, which it isn't - and in the end, the basic premise is lost. I'd hate to see that happen here, since it's such a basic and easy-to-solve problem that deserves a little bit of attention. But as you can see...... You're the one that started talking about the CLT, which is a big part of the current linking system! I have no problem with adding a new field for Season and Disc for TV seasons, but my support of it has nothing to do with CLT results (which could be eliminated with a proper linking system). | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,323 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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Of course Tim... but the way you were replying to me through-out this thread felt like nothing but cramming something down my throat that I already agreed with...
Well, it's not. I'm just trying to keep a simple point from getting buried in what I regard as futile back-and-forth about minute details. Many threads seem to end like that: more and more stuff gets piled on - prime example: hal trying to make it about the "linking system" again just now, which it isn't - and in the end, the basic premise is lost. I'd hate to see that happen here, since it's such a basic and easy-to-solve problem that deserves a little bit of attention. But as you can see...... ' Well maybe if you didn't attach it to most of the replies to me it would have felt that way. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,323 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting T!M:
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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Of course Tim... but the way you were replying to me through-out this thread felt like nothing but cramming something down my throat that I already agreed with...
Well, it's not. I'm just trying to keep a simple point from getting buried in what I regard as futile back-and-forth about minute details. Many threads seem to end like that: more and more stuff gets piled on - prime example: hal trying to make it about the "linking system" again just now, which it isn't - and in the end, the basic premise is lost. I'd hate to see that happen here, since it's such a basic and easy-to-solve problem that deserves a little bit of attention. But as you can see......
You're the one that started talking about the CLT, which is a big part of the current linking system!
I have no problem with adding a new field for Season and Disc for TV seasons, but my support of it has nothing to do with CLT results (which could be eliminated with a proper linking system). I once again must agree with Hal... that if this is about the CLT... I would personally rather go with Hal's suggestion. As that would make the CLT unneeded. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | And there we are: we've managed to lose the point completely. Also, I was not the one bringing up the CLT - it's in the very first post by the threadstarter. I'll happily reiterate again:
This thread is not primarily about linking. It is, instead, simply about the inability of the CLT to deal with TV credits, which messes up the CLT numbers beyond belief - not just counting them two or three times, but often literally dozens of times. That we depend on those CLT numbers to establish common names, which in turn is needed for linking, is the consequence, but not the problem we're talking about. It's only about how the CLT can't properly count someone's TV show credits.
My suggestion for fixing this would be by introducing a new field for the season/disc/compilation/whatever-indicators of TV-profiles, which would keep the "original title" field free for just the show's actual title, and nothing else. I'm also interested in any other suggestions, including more elaborate ones, that would solve the problem as well, but IMHO this fairly simple alteration will already do the trick. Limited input, great results.
Of course the "let's lose the CLT altogether" mantra would also do the trick, but seriously: we've never even gotten so much as a hint that Ken might actually be considering such a major overhaul. Failing that, surely that mantra shouldn't be used to quash any other requests for improvement? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,323 |
| | Posted: | | | | The thing of it is Tim... his idea is no more or less deserved to be discussed as yours is. And since as you said this is about the CLT... and his idea does take care of the CLT it has just as much right in this thread as yours does.
As for "we've never even gotten so much as a hint that Ken might actually be considering such a major overhaul.".... we never gotten so much of a hint that Ken might actually consider doing your idea either (that I remember ever seeing) either.
So once again his idea for this problem is just as much on topic as yours even if it is more extreme and less likely to happen. Some of us still think it is the better solution in the long run.
So yes I support your idea... but I support his as well. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
So yes I support your idea... but I support his as well. There we go: everybody happy! One little thing, though: for the sake of clarity, let's use this thread to discuss the problem of the inability of the CLT to deal with TV credits, and let's use that thread for discussing major overhaul of the linking system, okay? Not to prioritize either topic - yes, they're both equally valid suggestions - or for any other reason than just clarity and staying on topic. Nothing else. But since this thread is titled "Original Title field for TV series", can we please not turn it into another plea for a new linking system? It's just not about that. If you agree that my suggestion is valid - and even support it - then can we please have a place to discuss it without the proceedings being overshadowed by something else? | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,323 |
| | Posted: | | | | But see Tim... it isn't about just your idea. It should be open to any and all ideas that would solve the problem in the OP.
I do understand what you are saying on how it can get overshadowed... but I can't agree to shut down ANY idea that would solve the problem in the OP. And yes... Hal's idea would indeed solve that problem as well. So I do wholeheartedly believe he has just as much right to mention it in this thread as you do since both ideas would solve the problem in the OP. | | | | Pete |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Maybe we should go discussing the problem of the inability of the CLT to deal with TV credits in the "New Actor/Crew Linking System", then? By this twisted logic, every thread remotely related to cast and crew - including every single common name-finding thread, could be turned into the umpteenth plea for a new linking system. I'm very sorry, but I find this stance unreasonable and immature. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Since we are making suggestions, for the sake of clarity, let's use this forum for contribution discussions, and this forum for feature requests, okay? Wait, does that sound unreasonable? Well, asking people to stick to a particular topic, in a thread that is completely off topic for the forum it is in, seems just as unreasonable to me. For the record, I like the field the way it is, it's the CLT that needs to be fixed. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,323 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Maybe we should go discussing the problem of the inability of the CLT to deal with TV credits in the "New Actor/Crew Linking System", then?
By this twisted logic, every thread remotely related to cast and crew - including every single common name-finding thread, could be turned into the umpteenth plea for a new linking system. I'm very sorry, but I find this stance unreasonable and immature. And I personally find your belief that you can tell other people what to discuss here... especially when they do both effect what the OP is asking... unbelievable and unrealistic. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,323 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Since we are making suggestions, for the sake of clarity, let's use this forum for contribution discussions, and this forum for feature requests, okay?
Wait, does that sound unreasonable? Well, asking people to stick to a particular topic, in a thread that is completely off topic for the forum it is in, seems just as unreasonable to me.
For the record, I like the field the way it is, it's the CLT that needs to be fixed. I must agree here as well... just as I think any thread discussing rules change should be in the correct forum. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Maybe we should go discussing the problem of the inability of the CLT to deal with TV credits in the "New Actor/Crew Linking System", then?
By this twisted logic, every thread remotely related to cast and crew - including every single common name-finding thread, could be turned into the umpteenth plea for a new linking system. I'm very sorry, but I find this stance unreasonable and immature. Wait, wasn't it you who said, and I quote... "Until it is addressed - one way or another - I'm happy to keep pointing out what I feel is the obvious solution to these problems wherever I can." ...why is that fine for you, but not hal or anybody else that feels they have an obvious solution to a problem they are having?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
...why is that fine for you, but not hal or anybody else that feels they have an obvious solution to a problem they are having? Of course they can do that! And I've never said otherwise. But does it have to be in a thread about a different issue? Again the very simple question: have you seen me hijacking hal's thread to talk about my problem? No!! Should I be doing that? I certainly don't hope so... So why is it okay the other way around, then? | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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