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Can we ever stop copying from IMDb? |
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| Registered: February 23, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with MadMartian's statement that the prohibition to copy IMDB data is certainly there for a reason and non-compliance could result in serious trouble for Invelos.
That being said, I do agree that the current way to handle cast & crew, which includes capitalization rules, romanization rules (or the absence thereof), problems with linking, etc are issues that cause problems for a number of users and IMHO should be addressed in some way, eventually. | | | Blu-ray collection
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| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
You never did answer the question I asked of you earlier: Are you able to identify actors in profiles when their names are slightly misspelled (e.g. "c" instead of "ç")?
And you, are you able to identify actors in profiles when their names are correctly spelled (e.g. "ç" instead of "c") ? If you can why do you prefer the form with a spelling mistake to the correct form ? | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,848 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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You never did answer the question I asked of you earlier: Are you able to identify actors in profiles when their names are slightly misspelled (e.g. "c" instead of "ç")?
And you, are you able to identify actors in profiles when their names are correctly spelled... My question was asked to determine whether this problem was as serious as you suggest, since you call it "useless data". You appear to be unwilling to answer. Your question was ridiculous, but to be cooperative I will answer anyway: yes. --------------- |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
You appear to be unwilling to answer.
I think my answer means also clearly yes, but I did not give that evident answer as your question was just a provocation. To go further, accentuation is directly connected to pronunciation. Though sounds are not exactly the same in all languages, é is near the i of pig, ê near the a of cat, è, near the e of ten. ça is "sa", ca is "ka". When you read names with spelling mistakes, you think in your mind with corresponding sounds, and I swear you that a name pronounced Frankois is quite ridiculous, and even could be not understood to be François in spoken language. Just as I sometimes do not understand my own name when pronounced by English speaking people ("Yves" is pronounced in French exactly like "Eve" in English, and I heard tons of time, from english speaking persons, that I had a girl's name...) So those wrong accents that have no importance for you may be seen as unacceptable mistakes with different eyes (or ears). That is my answer. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
So those wrong accents that have no importance for you may be seen as unacceptable mistakes with different eyes (or ears). It's not about what it is important, or unimportant, to you, to me, or to anyone else. It's only about establishing a common name. That common name might as well have had a format like "actorID_6378585". That, too, is pronounced entirely different than the actual name of the actor it would refer to. But that's completely immaterial - it's just not about that. Not at all... |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,848 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting scotthm:
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You appear to be unwilling to answer.
I think my answer means also clearly yes, but I did not give that evident answer as your question was just a provocation. No, it wasn't meant as a provocation, but it was meant to put things in perspective. I understand your reasons for wanting to use accents where appropriate, but it's my thought that if every profile got its cast and crew data from the credits (no IMDB data, and no creative interpretation) strictly using the Rules and Ken's "clarification" that the linking system would be in much better shape, and I think that's worth the tradeoff of 100% "accuracy". Quote:
So those wrong accents that have no importance for you may be seen as unacceptable mistakes with different eyes (or ears). I never said they were of no importance, but I believe there is good reason to do things in a standard way that everyone can adhere to. Modifying the rules that will allow you to "correct" a region 2 profile when no one is going to correct the coresponding region 1 profle may give you better spelling in your profiles but will wreck the linking system even more. But you know all this already. --------------- |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,329 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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So those wrong accents that have no importance for you may be seen as unacceptable mistakes with different eyes (or ears).
It's not about what it is important, or unimportant, to you, to me, or to anyone else. It's only about establishing a common name. That common name might as well have had a format like "actorID_6378585". That, too, is pronounced entirely different than the actual name of the actor it would refer to. But that's completely immaterial - it's just not about that. Not at all... This is exactly how I see it as well. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
This is exactly how I see it as well. Me too. By the way, have you seen actorID_6378585 in movie 7894578 ? I found she was much more sexy than actorID_7838537. Have you the same feeling ? The problem is that a hidden ID for linking purpose is totally acceptable. A huge spelling mistake in a list of credits is totally unacceptable. Perhaps you find that beautiful..., not me :  | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
A huge spelling mistake in a list of credits is totally unacceptable. It's very simple: if there's a "huge spelling mistake" in the credits, then we copy that into DVD Profiler. Just like we copy a spelling mistakes in the overview on the back cover into the overview in the program as well. I know you don't like that either, but that's how we do it. Once we start to allow users to enter what they feel is "correct" (in any field), or what they feel is "intended", rather than what the actual data shows us, and without having a universal and rock-solid source to verify what "correct" or "intended" really is, then we're off on a very slippery slope. I, for one, wouldn't want that. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
if there's a "huge spelling mistake" in the credits, then we copy that into DVD Profiler. But the credits, in all caps, have no spelling mistake. You add it during your "conversion" (sabotage seems more appropriate than conversion) | | | | Images from movies |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
But the credits, in all caps, have no spelling mistake. You add it during your "conversion" (sabotage seems more appropriate than conversion) No. It's actually the other way around: if there is no diacritical on the screen, then you're adding it during your "conversion". You'd be adding something that isn't there - you'd be adding what you think should be there, or what you think was intended. In certain cases you may well be right, but in many other cases you may just as well be totally wrong. To eliminate that game of chance, we simply don't do that for DVD Profiler purposes. For the umpteenth time: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Since "é" has a corresponding "É", simple capital conversion is all that's required. If the character used in the all-caps name is "É", convert it to "é" as needed to create mixed case. If the character used in all-caps is "E", convert it to "e" as needed to create mixed case. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
No. It's actually the other way around: if there is no diacritical on the screen, then you're adding it during your "conversion". You'd be adding something that isn't there - you'd be adding what you think should be there Sorry, but you are wrong. 100% of French people who learned in school would say that the diatric are really present in ANDRE or FRANCOIS. You try to explain to a French user grammatical rules that you evidently do not know at all. I would not try to explain to you grammatical rules of your language. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
For the umpteenth time:
Quoting Ken Cole:
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Since "é" has a corresponding "É", simple capital conversion is all that's required. If the character used in the all-caps name is "É", convert it to "é" as needed to create mixed case. If the character used in all-caps is "E", convert it to "e" as needed to create mixed case. Each time you quote that sentence, I find it a little more stupid. With this umpteenth time, we reach an Himalaya of stupidity. But you may continue to quote it up to the moon, or to the sun... My apologies Ken, but this is a view that perhaps seems logic for an English speaking user, but it cannot be applied to all other languages. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
But you may continue to quote it up to the moon, or to the sun... Trust me: I will. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Trust me: I will. You could also try to PM it to me twice a day. Anyway, I never blocked a user and shall never do such a thing, so it might be efficient...  and it will save the time of those who already agree with it  . | | | | Images from movies |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
My apologies Ken, but this is a view that perhaps seems logic for an English speaking user, but it cannot be applied to all other languages. It can - and here's the key - for DVD Profiler purposes. As always, you're confusing the specific grammar rules you once learned at school with the way DVD Profiler deals with on-screen credits. But these really are two entirely different things. And, although I understand how nice that would be, the DVD Profiler database doesn't only have to cater to your needs, or mine, but it has to be equally accessible and workable for thousands and thousands of users all around the world - each with his own set of grammer rules firmly imprinted in his head. There's no way Ken can accomodate all of those, so he had to create a universal way of dealing with this - for DVD Profiler purposes - that's workable for everyone. It's no more difficult than that. |
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