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The continued drama we call "parsing": Ellen Albertini Dow
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This would be P//BH for "As Credited", but the common name would still be P/B/H, since there are many more instances of the latter in the CLT.

No, this would not be P/ /BH for 'As Credited'.  The as credited field is a single name field...there is no way to parse it.
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This would be P//BH for "As Credited", but the common name would still be P/B/H, since there are many more instances of the latter in the CLT.

No, this would not be P/ /BH for 'As Credited'.  The as credited field is a single name field...there is no way to parse it.


I think I said that!  But thanks.

In fact, the program will not enter an "As Credited" name at all, in this circumstance.
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For her last name to be Dow, she must be always referred to as Dow only.  If she is even once referred to correctly as Albertini-Dow, then that must be her true last name.

The key word here is "correctly".  How would you know if "Albertini-Dow" is "correct" when there are contradictory indications and you haven't consulted the authoritative source?

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This would be P//BH for "As Credited", but the common name would still be P/B/H, since there are many more instances of the latter in the CLT.

No, this would not be P/ /BH for 'As Credited'.  The as credited field is a single name field...there is no way to parse it.


I think I said that!  But thanks.

I don't think you did.  It sounds like you are saying that you can parse the 'As Credited' name, when the fact is, you can't.  If I misunderstood your statement, then I apologize.
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In fact, the program will not enter an "As Credited" name at all, in this circumstance.

I am not so sure about that.  Every single 'Credited As' field, in every single profile I have, has a name in it.  Since I didn't enter them, I have to believe that the program did.  Just to test it, I erased that name in a few profiles and, after saving and reopening the profile, the name was back.
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This would be P//BH for "As Credited", but the common name would still be P/B/H, since there are many more instances of the latter in the CLT.

No, this would not be P/ /BH for 'As Credited'.  The as credited field is a single name field...there is no way to parse it.


I think I said that!  But thanks.

I don't think you did.  It sounds like you are saying that you can parse the 'As Credited' name, when the fact is, you can't.  If I misunderstood your statement, then I apologize.


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And since the "As Credited" is not actually parsed, it will have no impact on the CLT


Yes, I do think I said that!

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In fact, the program will not enter an "As Credited" name at all, in this circumstance.

I am not so sure about that.  Every single 'Credited As' field, in every single profile I have, has a name in it.  Since I didn't enter them, I have to believe that the program did.  Just to test it, I erased that name in a few profiles and, after saving and reopening the profile, the name was back.


What I meant was that no "As Credited" name would be displayed in the profile, but let me rephrase that to be 100% precise:

In fact, the program will not enter a different "As Credited" name at all, in this circumstance.

I'd appreciate it if you would stop trying to show everyone how much more you know about how the program works than me.  Especially since it ain't so!
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And since the "As Credited" is not actually parsed, it will have no impact on the CLT


Yes, I do think I said that!

As I didn't quote that portion, clearly I must have missed it and it should have been obvious...to anyone without some sort of personal issue...that I was responding to the portion I did quote.  I did, however, allow for the fact that I misunderstood...or missed something...because I did apologize for the fact that I might have done so.  Again, that should have been enough for anybody without a personal issue.
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What I meant was that no "As Credited" name would be displayed in the profile, but let me rephrase that to be 100% precise:

You have asked, in the past, that I not try to figure out what you meant, but rather read what you wrote so that is what I did.  Please make up your mind.
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In fact, the program will not enter a different "As Credited" name at all, in this circumstance.

I don't believe the program ever enters a different as credited name, in any circumstance.  Unless I have missed something, the as credited name will always reflect the 'common' name...the one that is parsed...until the user changes it, or an update with a changed credited as name is downloaded, so I am not sure where you are going with this.
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I'd appreciate it if you would stop trying to show everyone how much more you know about how the program works than me.  Especially since it ain't so!

I am not sure why you seem to be taking this as some sort of personal attack but I am not trying to show anybody anything.  I read a post that seemed to imply* something that wasn't true...that you could parse the 'credited as' entry.  When you replied, I explained what I was questioning and apologized if I had misunderstood.  If that's not good enough for you, well, that's on you, not me.

*I say seemed to imply because you included a parsing example when refering to the 'as credited' name and I don't know why anybody would do that unless that is what they were trying to imply. 
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Different example: Philip Baker Hall. There again, we had an on-screen credit (see below, from 'In Good Company') that caused some to feel his last name was "Baker Hall", not "Hall". Still, we didn't go that way (thread), and we stuck with P/B/H. Again: how is this any different?


Very good example. Until Invelos rules that a graphically layout credit like this still has to be parsed as P/B/H instead of P//B H, we are not stuck with P/B/H and I would clearly enter P//B H.

From the credits of Hard Eight (aka Sydney) a film in which PBH was the star:


So, we have documentation for both variants. This happens.
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This would be P//BH for "As Credited", but the common name would still be P/B/H, since there are many more instances of the latter in the CLT.  And since the "As Credited" is not actually parsed, it will have no impact on the CLT.

Do we really have many instances of P/B/H. Remember "Philip Baker Hall" is no valid documentation for P/B/H while "Philip Baker HALL" or "Mr. Hall" is, because, as we know, there is no default parsing.

Up to now, I have seen one instance documenting P/B/H and one P//BH. Looks like a tie to me.
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Since the online parsing does not overwrite the local, why do we worry so much about this?

In short: because, when contributing cast/crew data, the local parsing does overwrite the online.

Right. And there the story ends...

The only thing left to do is for the screeners to ignore No votes related to parsing. So when I ask the question why we worry about this at all, the "we" includes the screeners.
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This would be P//BH for "As Credited", but the common name would still be P/B/H, since there are many more instances of the latter in the CLT.  And since the "As Credited" is not actually parsed, it will have no impact on the CLT.

Do we really have many instances of P/B/H. Remember "Philip Baker Hall" is no valid documentation for P/B/H while "Philip Baker HALL" or "Mr. Hall" is, because, as we know, there is no default parsing.

Up to now, I have seen one instance documenting P/B/H and one P//BH. Looks like a tie to me.


Apparently, you haven't looked very hard.  All of these refer to him as "Hall", and they're all on the first page of a google search:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Baker_Hall

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/contributor/1800022198

http://www.fametracker.com/hey_its_that_guy/hall_philip_baker.php

http://movies.msn.com/celebrities/celebrity/philip-baker-hall/?silentchk=1&wa=wsignin1.0

IMDb refers to him as "Baker Hall" and Rotten Tomatoes plagiarized their summary from IMDb, so they also refer to him as "Baker Hall".
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This would be P//BH for "As Credited", but the common name would still be P/B/H, since there are many more instances of the latter in the CLT.  And since the "As Credited" is not actually parsed, it will have no impact on the CLT.

Do we really have many instances of P/B/H. Remember "Philip Baker Hall" is no valid documentation for P/B/H while "Philip Baker HALL" or "Mr. Hall" is, because, as we know, there is no default parsing.

Up to now, I have seen one instance documenting P/B/H and one P//BH. Looks like a tie to me.


Apparently, you haven't looked very hard.  All of these refer to him as "Hall", and they're all on the first page of a google search:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Baker_Hall

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/contributor/1800022198

http://www.fametracker.com/hey_its_that_guy/hall_philip_baker.php

http://movies.msn.com/celebrities/celebrity/philip-baker-hall/?silentchk=1&wa=wsignin1.0

IMDb refers to him as "Baker Hall" and Rotten Tomatoes plagiarized their summary from IMDb, so they also refer to him as "Baker Hall".

Actually, I was looking for documentation of actual movie credits or maybe official web pages. Two such documentations have been presented here. But I would agree that we are looking for the most often used parsing variant.
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Actually, I was looking for documentation of actual movie credits or maybe official web pages. Two such documentations have been presented here. But I would agree that we are looking for the most often used parsing variant.


Unfortunately, actual movie credits do not often give us any information about parsing.  Sometimes, but not that often.
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Parsing is no longer considered or displayed in the online contribution system.
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Thank You Ken!
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I just looked at the difference in the voting page! Great that it don't even show the parsing any longer! 
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Can we not lose the colour change though? I found it easier when the Actor was one colour (or three) and the Role was another.

Are accents not considered either now?
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