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Contributing to Profiles of DVD's you Don't Own |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote: You might want to go out and actually enjoy the nice sunny weather we're having, T!M! You know what? You're absolutely right! I'm off to eat some ice cream in the sun right now... |
| Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,998 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: I'm off to eat some ice cream in the sun right now... |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Just got back from the local ice cream shop, Jimmie Cone.....ummmm....yum.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Quoting dee1959jay:
Quote: What about a profile with clearly IMDb-mined data? For that I would gladly accept a fully audited cast and crew from another locality, and risk the off-chance that credits vary across localities. With IMDb the chance that the credits are wrong is WAY higher... I can only go by what Ken said, and he said 'blank or limited'. IMDb-mined data, for me at least, doesn't fall into that category. Your mileage may vary but, for me, none of his other posts contradicted or rescinded that statement. I absolutely agree. Even though you know that it doesn't please me to say so, I think were I to find such a Profile, the best approach if i couldn't fix it, would be to appeal to the Community, identifying the target and asking for somebody's assistance in rectifying the problem, the Community has always responded well to such pleas for help, including when I tried my experiment, except for the beating part. Skip Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree the community is very helpful in such cases, and your way will probably work well with fairly popular titles in the larger localities. However this way is less likely to work for exotic titles and/or smaller localities with few, if any, users participating in the community. Don't see too many Thai users on these forums, if you get my drift... |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I understand, deejay, but I think we should try it FIRST, before going in any other direction.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting dee1959jay:
Quote: You might want to go out and actually enjoy the nice sunny weather we're having, T!M! You know what? You're absolutely right! I'm off to eat some ice cream in the sun right now... As I was typing that message I thought to myself: and what the heck are YOU still doing punching your keyboard? So I went out into the sun as well, only thing is I chose a nice cold Belgian Tripel beer instead of ice cream... |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: I understand, deejay, but I think we should try it FIRST, before going in any other direction.
Skip I can live with that! |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: I can only go by what Ken said, and he said 'blank or limited'. IMDb-mined data, for me at least, doesn't fall into that category. Your mileage may vary but, for me, none of his other posts contradicted or rescinded that statement. He did not limit it to 'blank or limited cast'. That was one example given, not a finite statement of a single possibility. Here's his first quote: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: In general, contributions should be made only for profiles which the contributor owns and can verify. Similarly, contribution votes should be made only for profiles which the voter owns and can verify.
However, there are exceptions. Obviously, prerelease contributions do not require ownership. They should be basic starter information (e.g. complete cast and crew is impossible to correctly contribute without having the disc).
Taking another case, if a particular locality has blank or limited cast info, and the submitter would like to fill it in with their verified cast from their own locality, I would tend to allow the voters who actually own the submitted locality to make the call. However, the submitted contribution notes should clearly indicate that the cast is from the other locality, so that the voters and contribution evaluators can make an informed choice.
One additional reminder to please keep the contribution vote notes completely civil at all times. He mentions there are exceptions. He refers to prerelease contributions as one. Then "another case" is 'blank or limited cast'. That's not a finite list of exceptions. 'Blank or limited cast' is an example. And he did not include any such restriction in his recap: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: To recap: - We do not (currently) prevent users from contributing or voting on profiles they don't own. - If you are contributing to a profile that you don't own, our only requirement is that the notes submitted accurately reflect the source of the data, and state the specific profile used as the source. He even mentions "our only requirement". Not "our only requirement in addition to prerelease or 'blank or limited cast'". If I see an IMDb-mined profile, I can submit an update if I reference the source of my data. That's how I read it. If I see a profile without crew or with only a director or with IMDb-mined crew, I can submit an update if I reference the source of my data. That's how I read it, even though crew isn't mentioned. It's lunchtime for me. I'll see if I can score some ice cream. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,414 |
| Posted: | | | | wait, I don't see anything about beer OR ice cream in the Rules.... | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
Quote: I can only go by what Ken said, and he said 'blank or limited'. IMDb-mined data, for me at least, doesn't fall into that category. Your mileage may vary but, for me, none of his other posts contradicted or rescinded that statement. He did not limit it to 'blank or limited cast'. That was one example given, not a finite statement of a single possibility. Here's his first quote: Obviously I disagree. Your interpretation means, basically, anything goes. If that is the case, then why the first sentence? Why any examples at all? Why not a simple statement saying, "Any correction is allowed as long as you reference the original profile." Quote: He even mentions "our only requirement". Not "our only requirement in addition to prerelease or 'blank or limited cast'". Neither did he say, "ignore my previous posts, our only requirement is..." Quote: If I see an IMDb-mined profile, I can submit an update if I reference the source of my data. That's how I read it.
If I see a profile without crew or with only a director or with IMDb-mined crew, I can submit an update if I reference the source of my data. That's how I read it, even though crew isn't mentioned. Yes, you can do all of that and I never said otherwise. Everybody will have to make their own choice here. I have chosen to limit my contributions based on the examples in Ken's post. You have chosen something else. Such is life. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Exemplary logic, as usual.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Obviously I disagree. Your interpretation means, basically, anything goes. If that is the case, then why the first sentence? That isn't the case. It's not "anything goes". Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Why any examples at all? To give us an idea of the kinds of things that could be exceptions. Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Why not a simple statement saying, "Any correction is allowed as long as you reference the original profile." Because that's not what he means. And he never said you'd be guaranteed approval. He came at it from the perspective of allowing the locality voters to evaluate it. He said he would "tend to allow", which I take to mean they will not reject your contribution on the basis that it's from another profile, but rather they'll allow it to be considered along with evaluation by the voters. Quote: Neither did he say, "ignore my previous posts, our only requirement is..." I'm not ignoring his previous post. I look to his previous post for examples and I can figure out that profile with just a director would be a good candidate for a contribution such as this. That's not ignoring him! And why would he say "our only requirement" if there are other requirements? | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan | | | Last edited: by m.cellophane |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | I am only going to answer two point as that should cover them all... Quoting m.cellophane: Quote: That isn't the case. It's not "anything goes". If you believe his statement was NOT finite, and only included two of the many possible examples, it is 'anything goes'. The only alternative to 'anything goes' is a finite list of examples. Quoting m.cellophane: Quote: And why would he say "our only requirement" if there are other requirements? Because that is their only requirement. Should you decide to contribute to a profile that has blank or limited cast, their only requirement is that the notes submitted accurately reflect the source of the data, and state the specific profile used as the source. Simply put, Ken's first post tells us when we can submit changes to profiles we don't own and his third post reiterates what we are required to do should we decide to. That's just my take. Your mileage, obviously, will vary. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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