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However, I can't find either in the database already, plus I'm confused as to why we should name production companies in the Studio listing. Frank Marshall is already listed as a producer so why should I  credit his company as a studio?


Studios includes more than just studios from a program/data perspective.

The Rules tell us:
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List the Studios in the following priority.

    * Theatrical Release Studio(s)
    * Production Company(s)
    * DVD Distribution studio(s) if there is room available.
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Quoting tweeter:
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The Rules tell us:
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List the Studios in the following priority.

    * Theatrical Release Studio(s)
    * Production Company(s)
    * DVD Distribution studio(s) if there is room available.

[Ken]
For clarity, I think that particular list should have the OL HTML tag instead of the UL HTML tag.
[/Ken]
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Thanks for the replies guys - they provide absolutely no help whatsoever. Just saying the rules tell us and then some mention of OL and UL tags - which I have no idea what you're talking about - clarifies nothing.

I know the rules say that but what constitutes a production company and why are they mentioned under the studios if they're already mentioned under the producers? There's loads of crew positions that are ignored, but producers are mentioned twice.

For example, if you look at the UK release of The Bourne Supremacy, it is presented by Universal Pictures in association with Motion Picture THETA Produktionsgesellschaft, and the UK release of The Bourne Ultimatum is presented by Universal Pictures in association with Motion Picture BETA Produktionsgesellschaft.

Both of those production companies exist for the sole purpose of those movies - they are their only credits. Similarly they're both produced by Kennedy/Marshall in association with Ludlum Entertainment - the latter of which only gets a mention because they're based on Robert Ludlum's work.

So, for example, which out of the four companies for each film would I credit for each release? The rules aren't clear.

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Ahhh!  I thought you were asking the BIG question: Why do we include production companies?

But you were asking: Why do we include that production company?

I think you have it right that as a rule the "vanity" production company credit for the producers is generally ignored/not included.

Not having the discs i can't speak to the BETA/THETA credits.  And while i probably wouldn't vote against a removal of Kennedy/Marshall i have to wonder if they are not an actual company deserving of the credit.  I don't know the answer to that one but they've been around for quite a long time making movies...

Edit: and the OL/UL thing referred only to how i formatted my first message.
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I think you have it right that as a rule the "vanity" production company credit for the producers is generally ignored/not included.


If there is room for the "vanity" production company, it should be entered.  Just because someone gets a producer credit doesn't mean his company didn't do production work.
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Just because someone gets a producer credit doesn't mean his company didn't do production work.

You are correct. One doesn't preclude the other.

"Company" may have been too strong a word.  I was thinking more of the credit for a couple guys whose association lasts only the length of the movie and their "company" exists only as the credit on the screen.
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Thanks chaps, that's much clearer. I think my rule of thumb then is going to be to keep the main ones in and not worry about the others.

For example, The Bourne Supremacy, presented by Universal Pictures in association with Motion Picture THETA Produktionsgesellschaft, and produced by Kennedy/Marshall in association with Ludlum Entertainment.

I'll list Universal Pictures in slot 1 and The Kennedy/Marshall Company in slot 2.

Similarly, for The Bourne Ultimatum, presented by Universal Pictures in association with Motion Picture BETA Produktionsgesellschaft, and produced by Kennedy/Marshall in association with Ludlum Entertainment.

I'll again list Universal Pictures in slot 1 and The Kennedy/Marshall Company in slot 2.

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In Alex Proyas film Dark City (1998) opening credits we see:
Mystery Clock Production

The studio is Mystery Clock Cinema (www.mysteryclock.com), an Australian company founded by Proyas.

From the rules:
There is further information about correct names for studios, and the opportunity to ask questions if unsure, in the Contributions forum.

So I ask you if is right to change Mystery Clock in Mystery Clock Cinema.
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In Alex Proyas film Dark City (1998) opening credits we see:
Mystery Clock Production

The studio is Mystery Clock Cinema (www.mysteryclock.com), an Australian company founded by Proyas.

From the rules:
There is further information about correct names for studios, and the opportunity to ask questions if unsure, in the Contributions forum.

So I ask you if is right to change Mystery Clock in Mystery Clock Cinema.

If we're supposed to only use what's in the credits and not record the actual name of the studio, then I don't understand why this thread exists?
Makes sense to me in the context of all the other posts that we record the name of the company, even if it differs slightly from whatever animated logo they use in the film credits.
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The fact that there is no 's' at the end of the word 'production' leads me to believe it is not part of the studio name.  In this case, I would use the proper name from ther website.
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I disagree with Unicus on this. There is NO PROVIOSION for that methofe, we taek the data from the screen, and the existing data is CORRECT.

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The fact that there is no 's' at the end of the word 'production' leads me to believe it is not part of the studio name.  In this case, I would use the proper name from ther website.

That's why I voted yes. If we're meant to only use what's on screen then what's the point of this thread?
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That's right, studios are NOT always taken verbatim from the screen. I don't see why this example can't be "Mystery Clock Cinema", based on the evidence.
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Because at the request of some users we have begun moving in the direction of On Screen data (As Credited)...not entirely and the changeover will be slow, due to the simple fact that users would immediately begin clamnmoring for another Alias list for Studios. This one should remain AS CREDITED, as is true with MOST Production studios since they are generally not well identified and have a small ctalog of film. The only area we don't use As Credited and NEVER have is for the MAJOR film studios, again simply to avoid the clamor for an Alias list, right now, particularly since the other Alias doesn't function all that well.

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From the rules:
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Do not abbreviate Studio names.

Removing the word "Cinema" is abbreviating the name, therefore against the rules.
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You are also adding data which does NOT appear On Screen therefore the data is WRONG. Remember our source is ALWAYS the disc (film).

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