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Contributing to Profiles of DVD's you Don't Own |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: If you believe his statement was NOT finite, and only included two of the many possible examples, it is 'anything goes'. The only alternative to 'anything goes' is a finite list of examples. That's just not true. May I contribute crew? To me, the answer is obviously yes even though crew is not mentioned. Do you believe that Invelos will summarily reject a contribution that includes crew because it's not in Ken's list of absolutes? I don't. May I contribute disc IDs and audio/subs, etc? No, because I don't have the disc. There are many possible examples between 'anything goes' and a finite list. Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Quoting m.cellophane:
Quote: And why would he say "our only requirement" if there are other requirements? Because that is their only requirement. Should you decide to contribute to a profile that has blank or limited cast, their only requirement is that the notes submitted accurately reflect the source of the data, and state the specific profile used as the source. How do you get from " another case is 'limited or blank' cast" to " the only thing that is acceptable apart from a prerelease profile is 'limited or blank' cast"? It's not an absolute statement. Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Simply put, Ken's first post tells us when we can submit changes to profiles we don't own and his third post reiterates what we are required to do should we decide to.
His first post says we can and gives examples for when we could. His third post reiterates that we can and says how to do it. (IMO) It's fine that your opinion differs. I won't force you to contribute my way. I just don't want to wake up to screen shots in the forum of my contributions and votes by those who disagree with me (not saying that you would do that, just giving an example). | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| Registered: March 10, 2007 | Posts: 4,282 |
| Posted: | | | | Cast was an example, not an exhaustive list of potential contributions. Crew would be in the same boat, as would production year, etc.
Obvious exclusions would be release date, overview, rating, and other frequently locality-specific items. | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Basically, anything that isn't locality, version or format specific. Thanks for clearing that up. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I think was pretty much what Unicus and I have been pointing to.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: May 8, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,945 |
| Posted: | | | | seems we all agree now cheers and a happy weekend Donnie | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 5,734 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: Obvious exclusions would be release date, overview, rating, Why? The Release Date is DVD-independent and originates from other sources. Overview and Rating have to be from the DVD-case/cover, which invelos already has approved. Quote: and other frequently locality-specific items. Release Date, Overview and Rating are locality-specific, but not "DVDs you Own"-specific items. | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | I think you're mixing up Release Date and Production Year. The release date refers to the DVD release, Production Year to the year of the original theatrical release (or air date, in case of TV series). |
| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,878 |
| Posted: | | | | No, I don't think he's mixing up the two. bbbbb is quite correct that the release date is something that does not come from the disc. It is, indeed, locality specific, but it's not something you need the disc for (or can get from the disc).
For the profiles I find in my collection that are missing that I have to try to get from sites on the web which list that info, like VideoETA or Amazon. So you wouldn't need the disc or package for the release date, and in fact, can't get it from there. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield |
| Registered: December 16, 2007 | Posts: 926 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: Cast was an example, not an exhaustive list of potential contributions. Crew would be in the same boat, as would production year, etc.
Obvious exclusions would be release date, overview, rating, and other frequently locality-specific items. What's wrong with adding an Overview to a profile that hasn't one? If the scan is good and you have a source to copy that Overview (to make it easy on yourself) why not add it after a thorough check, of course. If you haven't got a source, you will have to type it out yourself of course. |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote: No, I don't think he's mixing up the two. bbbbb is quite correct that the release date is something that does not come from the disc. It is, indeed, locality specific, but it's not something you need the disc for (or can get from the disc). That's obvious: you don't need the disc for it, but it cannot be carried over from one release to the other either. And that's what I was referring to. Sorry, should have been clearer in my post. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting railroaded: Quote: What's wrong with adding an Overview to a profile that hasn't one? If the scan is good and you have a source to copy that Overview (to make it easy on yourself) why not add it after a thorough check, of course.
If you haven't got a source, you will have to type it out yourself of course. The problem with adding the overview that is in the scan is that you have no way of knowing if it is the correct scan. I have encountered this problem myself...corrected the overview from the scan, only to find out it didn't match the actual release. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | This happens sometimes with re-releases, it may be more than just the image that changes. Sometimes it might be the Overview, sometimes it might even be some of the technical data...but the same UPC#
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: March 31, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,798 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Whats can we do with a guy who is contribute to a movie he not own and he claim thats all is verified by the movie and if you look at the movie then you can look for you self thats its not tru, and its not the only thing on the contribution who not are credited exactly from the movie Columbo: 5 Mystery Movie Collection [5-050582-502640] 5. Murder, a Self Portrait
The old contribute Art: Bill Ross: Production Designer Hugo Santiago: Art Director Jacqueline Saint Anne: Costume Designer Michael J. Long: Costume Designer Greg LaCava: Make-up Artist
And the new contribution Art: Bill Ross: Production Designer Hugo Santiago: Art Director Jacqueline Saint Anne: Costume Designer Greg LaCava: Make-up Artist Michael J. Long: Costume Designer
And the contribute note from the contributor Re-audited cast and crew data: everything taken exactly as credited from the credits of the U.S. R1 DVD-set under UPC 025193327222, in which these changes have already been accepted, using the "credited as" feature where necessary - extensively researched on the internet and fully supported by Invelos' own "credit lookup tool" results. | | | Last edited: by ruben. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | No comment, ruben. But i'll wager you can guess. But some think they are doing the Community by ASSuming that one credit applies to ALL. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting ruben.: Quote: Quoting T!M: Whats can we do with a guy who is contribute to a movie he not own and he claim thats all is verified by the movie and if you look at the movie then you can look for you self thats its not tru, and its not the only thing on the contribution who not are credited exactly from the movie Have you checked the credits to see whether or not the credits match the actual DVD? If yes, did you vote 'no' with that as a note? If yes, then the contributor should withdraw that contribution immediately. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: April 7, 2007 | Posts: 357 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: For these reasons, we have chosen not to block contributions or voting in these cases. I'm happy to reconsider this policy if the community feels it is necessary. Sorry to resurrect this but from the vote I'd say the community does feel it's necessary. |
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